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Political: Obamacare has failed? Sure, whatever you say.........

Warning! This is in spreadsheet and graph form and may be difficult/impossible for some of you to read/interpret.

For those wingnuts/Obama haters/Obamacare-failure-proponents who are comfortable with this format I'd be interested to hear your comments.

For those that have difficulty with graphs and tables and/or have no use for actual facts please feel free to post the usual nonsense.


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by That's funny! December 26, 2013 11:18 AM


Gonna reduce premiums and costs, sure whatever you say.

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"The cost of President Obama’s massive health-care law will hit Americans in 2014 as new taxes pile up on their insurance premiums and on their income-tax bills."

"The new taxes on one customer’s bill added up to $23.14 a month, or $277.68 annually, according to Kaiser Health News. It boosted the monthly premium from $322.26 to $345.40 for that individual."

Keep spinning Ancho. Dear leader and friends need you now more than ever.

Yes, it's failing. Most Americans do not like it or want it. When a majority of people don't like or want a product/service it is considered failing.

In the dreaded private sector people would be losing their jobs over this product and the way it was introduced. The CEO would probably be getting investigated for the fraudulent claims that were made and ultimately the business would fail and shut down.

However, in the liberal wonderland of big government where there is no accountability, this unmitigated disaster is considered a success. Now That's Funny.
by ConservativeMe December 26, 2013 11:42 AM


The 750,000 enrollments not broken out by states looks like some sort of guestimate since we've been told they don't have real time figures. This is 40% of the total 1.83 million enrollments.


by chubbs1 December 26, 2013 11:49 AM


That's funny...posting supposedly accurate data from a questionably operational government website overseen by an administration that lies more regularly than my dog's bowel movements

Classic....Christmas is now over. The gift giving can stop.
by Dr. Branker December 26, 2013 12:04 PM


"posting supposedly accurate data from a questionably operational government website overseen by an administration that lies"

When will Obama produce a REAL birth certificate!


hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

I told you morons to ramp up the negativity because your "repeal" window was closing.

But, as usual, you didn't listen. You lost a little momentum and now look! Folks are signing up and, looking ahead to midterms, you're going to be forced to explain to maybe 3-4 million people why they can't have their insurance.

You doubled down on "failure." Now you have to switch to "taxes" or "death panels"

ConservativeMe: How much does Blue Cross of Alabama pay in state or federal taxes or other taxes? Funny that they took the time/manpower to itemize the black man's taxes isn't it?


by That's funny! December 26, 2013 12:45 PM


According to That's Funny!, 'fixing' Obamacare means:

1.) Delaying the requirement that employers provides health insurance for another year

2.) Bypassing Healthcare.gov because there is no way to buy insurance plans on the exchange because Obama's employees haven't written the code yet

3.) Dropping the minimum standards for health insurance plans for another year

4.) Dropping proof of income in order to obtain Federal subsidies

5.) Dropping the tax penalty for failing to purchase Obamacare.

6.) Delaying the requirement for consumers to actually pay or pay in full before receiving insurance benefits.


Gee, TF - what's left of Obamacare that Obama hasn't cancelled?


Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!


How's that Hopey-Changey thing workin' out for ya?


by The Truth December 20, 2013 10:28 AM
by The Truth December 26, 2013 1:12 PM


It's a Medicare Surge!!

Estimated Plan Selections* : 5,800,000
Estimated Medicaid: 3,930,000
Estimated number of people paying: 1,820,000


Estimated number of people who lost health insurance due to Obamacare: 5,600,000


Result:
4 million more people added to public assistance rather than paying into the private market

3 million more people without health insurance at all.

Thanks, Dems.



*Sticking to the standard established by the White House, 'Plan Selection' is used instead of 'Plan Purchase', because the Obama Administration hasn't written the software to conduct transactions.

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by The Truth December 26, 2013 1:21 PM


How's that Hopey-Changey thing workin' out for ya?
by The Truth December 20, 2013 10:28 AM

Compared to when the ultimate Bozo in chief was in office, its been good and getting better there hockey mom Palin, Thanks.

Unemployment has gone down.
The DOW isn't in the toilet anymore.
Housing is getting better.
People are spending money again.
We aren't killing 50, 20 year old kids daily.

You should really stop quoting the dingiest, dumbest woman in politics.


by Unfair and Imbalanced December 26, 2013 1:48 PM


"3 million more people without health insurance at all. "

hahahahahahahahahahaha!

Yeah, there has been a net loss of the number of folks insured!

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

I'm guessing the dumbfuck conservatives that got "cancellation" notices aren't smart enough to go to an exchange and get new insurance. If that's the case....I side with Ron Paul and his disciples: Let the fucking idiots die in the streets.
by That's funny! December 26, 2013 2:18 PM


Ancho,

I say again is this not the definition of failure? Having a product or service that is rejected by a large portion of the public constitutes a failure.

Yes, it's failing. Most Americans do not like it or want it. When a majority of people don't like or want a product/service it is considered failing.

In the dreaded private sector people would be losing their jobs over this product and the way it was introduced. The CEO would probably be getting investigated for the fraudulent claims that were made and ultimately the business would fail and shut down.

However, in the liberal wonderland of big government where there is no accountability, this unmitigated disaster is considered a success. Now That's Funny.
by ConservativeMe December 26, 2013 2:27 PM


Unemployment has gone down.
by Unfair and Imbalanced
The rate maybe....check the participation rate and see how many have left the market due to NO JOBS!

The DOW isn't in the toilet anymore.
by Unfair and Imbalanced
Dead Cat Bounce...markets always rebound from the bottom but we're glad you're able to recognize those that own the market are better off today!

Housing is getting better.
by Unfair and Imbalanced
The only thing you've gotten right for some time!

People are spending money again.
by Unfair and Imbalanced
LOL
The holiday season, which accounts for a fifth or more of retailers' sales, has been marked by deep discounting and aggressive marketing aimed at pushing penny-pinching shoppers to spend more. Mall traffic has been weak all season, and retail spending over the Thanksgiving weekend shopping blitz dropped for the first time since the NRF began tracking the data in 2006

We aren't killing 50, 20 year old kids daily.
by Unfair and Imbalanced
In the city where 96% of firearm murders are committed with handguns that have been banned for decades, an astonishing 2.5 times more US citizens have been killed in Chicago than in the Afghanistan war zone since 2001.



You should really stop quoting the dingiest, dumbest woman in politics.
by Unfair and Imbalanced




I'll just let your own words above be that barometer of what one might want to stop doing!
BOOMER
by Sooner Nation December 26, 2013 2:49 PM


The rate maybe....check the participation rate and see how many have left the market due to NO JOBS!
by Boomer

People have money. How? I don't know. My side business proves it as its doing just as well now as it did before Bush put us in the toilet.

Dead Cat Bounce...markets always rebound from the bottom but we're glad you're able to recognize those that own the market are better off today!
by Boomer

Obama haters were crying and whining as to how LOW the DOW average was for a year when Obama took office. It is now as high as it has ever been. Yes, ill agree, the rich always do well after recessions.

LOL
The holiday season
by Boomer

I am not even referring to the Holiday season. The last year and a half in my side business has boomed. These aren't rich people buying from me, these are average pay check to pay check people, most of them. Stop reading sheep numbers, look around.

2.5 times more Gang Banging, drug dealing thugs have been killed in Chicago than in the Afghanistan war zone since 2001.
by Boomer

Fixed it for ya.

Also, 1 death of a kid on the right track, who IS NOT a gang banging, drug dealing thug in a useless worthless war, contracted out by the higher ups in this country that don't have to go and fight it themselves is messed up.

Housing is getting better.
by Unfair and Imbalanced
The only thing you've gotten right for some time!
by Boomer

Gee, how can housing be getting better if people don't have money, like YOU say? How can people buy and sell if they are not noted on your "participation rate" sheet?

Did stated income, fraudulent documentation come back without me noticing? Hmmm, that's a thinker.






by Unfair and Imbalanced December 26, 2013 3:18 PM


For those that have difficulty with graphs and tables and/or have no use for actual facts please feel free to post the usual nonsense.
by That's funny

The one glaring portion of your data is the age groups and whether the weighted averages make the law....SOLVENT!
Of course there's nothing there to support the large numbers of people that want their share of free shit and whether it's really affordable
by Sooner Nation December 26, 2013 3:23 PM


"Having a product or service that is rejected by a large portion of the public constitutes a failure."

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight!

But when people are asked about the individual features of the plan they overwhelmingly embrace them. The same thing happens when you take the black man's name off the law and describe the law generically. Even nitwit Republicans are on board.

Bush fucked ou the Medicare Part D rollout just like Obama has fucked up the ACA rollout. Seniors hated Medicare part D.
By your definition Medicare Part D is/was a failure?

I said it a few days ago: If this law was named after Reagan 90% of Republicans would be praising it.

"In the dreaded private sector people would be losing their jobs over this product and the way it was introduced. The CEO would probably be getting investigated for the fraudulent claims that were made and ultimately the business would fail and shut down"

You mean in your fairy tale mythical private sector?

hahahahahahaha!

In your sacred private sector CEO's are rewarded with millions in salaries and other perks for UNDERPERFORMING the overall market!

Has Jaime Dimon lost his job yet? Or how about the guys from BP that ruined the Gulf?

I could name a 1000 examples of corporate fuck ups that didn't result in heads rolling.


by That's funny! December 26, 2013 3:55 PM


Gee, how can housing be getting better if people don't have money, like YOU say? How can people buy and sell if they are not noted on your "participation rate" sheet?
by Unfair and Imbalanced

The same way the STOCK MARKET rebounds?
Are you really this ignorant in real life or do you just act like a fucking moron on line to supplant a complex?
I could walk into a McDonald's and get more more pertinent answers to those acts of buffoonery!
Your premise that having money means you have to spend it is ridiculous!
I'm not going to spend another minute with this during a Peaceful week

Enjoy the Holidays
Boomer
by Sooner Nation December 26, 2013 3:58 PM


Your premise that having money means you have to spend it is ridiculous!
by Boomer

Wrong. My premise that people have money and ARE spending it is spot on. The housing industry proves it and so does my side business.

Nobody on this site seems to be broke. It seems that everyone is doing well, other than Booth but who knows what his deal is.

Those who can make money are. Those who are not making money never did and most likely never will.

Kabb is doing great. Tux is doing great. Boomer is doing great. Wow, for Obama being such a fuck up President and really screwing this country, as you and your haters like to say, everyone seems to be doing GREAT.
by Unfair and Imbalanced December 26, 2013 4:14 PM


Anchofunny.

Basic math, here, honey. Even a 3rd grader can handle it.

5,600,000 private insurance customers cancelled (-) 1,820,000 buying selecting a private insurance plan (=)
3,780,000 net loss of insured Americans.


A net loss of 68% isn't a just a loss.

It's an epic failure.

Good job on those 1st quarter results, Mr. President.

You're doing a heckuva job!



by The Truth December 26, 2013 4:40 PM


Ancho,

Check every poll taken. people do not like or want Obamacare. That = failed product or service.

Best part is, we are just getting started.

You know full well that people are going to be greeted with sticker shock as they realize the cost of monthly premiums and how large their copay/deductibles are.

The fun is just starting. Get some rest. You are going to have to devote all of your energies to spinning this mess.

Oh, and going back to Bush is like waiving the white flag. Stop, we all agree he was basically useless. Don't bring up Part-D. it's an entitlement program, you know you like it, want it.

If Obama was a private company CEO and made the claims relating to that company's product which were fraudulent, specifically, "if you like your plan you can keep your plan." That person would have been brought up on charges. good thing Barry has never had to earn a living in the real world of the private sector were you can be held accountable for lies and incompetence.

Here another handful of peanuts so spin away little monkey, your dear leader needs you.
by ConservativeMe December 26, 2013 4:51 PM


Hey Ancho,

While we are running up the score. Let me also point out that people may dislike Obamacare but it looks they REALLY dislike Barry's work.

Job approval down to 39%. But I guess Gallup is just racist.

If only 39% approve and 56% disapprove, is that considered a failure?

Click Here

by ConservativeMe December 26, 2013 5:07 PM


The website is not government run. It was created out of pure fabrication by a Democratic operative in Lansing Mi. by the name of Charles Gaba.

Charles Gaba develops websites and IT consulting for Democratic causes. This is nothing but propaganda and pure bullshit.

It does keep that fucking monkey ancho spinning though doesn't it? He eats this shit up doesn't he!

One of his more notorious clients: Click Here

Some of Mr. Gaba's favorite videos on his youtube channe:
Click Here

Keep spinning that shit Ancho... keep spinning you little goebbel.
by Booth December 26, 2013 6:10 PM


Nobody on this site seems to be broke. It seems that everyone is doing well, other than Booth but who knows what his deal is.

Those who can make money are. Those who are not making money never did and most likely never will.

Kabb is doing great. Tux is doing great. Boomer is doing great. Wow, for Obama being such a fuck up President and really screwing this country, as you and your haters like to say, everyone seems to be doing GREAT.
by Unfair and Imbalanced December 26, 2013 4:14 PM


I never said I wasn't fine. My business on the other hand is done. I do audits for the old Litton Loan services(if anyone remembers), Blackrock and some other secondary sources. My business is all liability. The E&O I carry would crush some people, the surety bonds I have to hold would choke a horse. I am personally fucking fine, it's the mountain of costs that I have to incur doing business under Frank Dodd and other various legislation... (Yes ancho-fag, even ACA).

Unless you own a business none of you have a fucking clue what the cost of contract IT service is much, copier leasing, less replacing 5 caster high back chairs for your employees that work their asses off for you. How much is your phone bill? How about your weekly FedEx? How about copy costs from various courthouses across the US? That alone runs into the tens of thousands per month.

I had to earn my business, it wasn't handed to me.

by Booth December 26, 2013 7:27 PM


Booth

I bet you have a sweet phone system... Did you ever do any work with Empire Timber?
by LOANMAN December 26, 2013 9:03 PM


Your premise that having money means you have to spend it is ridiculous!
by Boomer

Wrong. My premise that people have money and ARE spending it is spot on. The housing industry proves it and so does my side business.
by Unfair and Imbalanced

Thanks for playing,

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Americans are sometimes faulted for their lack of savings and conspicuous consumption, but Americans themselves say they prefer saving money over spending it, by 62% to 33%. However, this has not always been the case. Prior to the 2008 financial crisis, Americans were more evenly divided.
Click Here
by Sooner Nation December 27, 2013 9:05 AM


Warning! This is in spreadsheet and graph form and may be difficult/impossible for some of you to read/interpret.
For those wingnuts/Obama haters/Obamacare-failure-proponents who are comfortable with this format I'd be interested to hear your comments.
by That's funny!


I'll add a comment when you get me the weighted averages of the young / healthy vs the old / sick
Everyone expected that the 40,000,000 without Health Insurance would jump at the chance
That doesn't make the ACA solvent however
Your premise is FLAWED and the data is incomplete
by Sooner Nation December 27, 2013 9:22 AM


'll add a comment when you get me the weighted averages of the young / healthy vs the old / sick "

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Do you even know what weighted averages are?

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

You're such a fool! As if insurance companies know less about risk pools than you do! hahahahahahahahaha!
You don't think they have factored the "young" issue into their planning and current rates? They have no clue who buys insurance and who doesn't?

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Honest to god! The idiocy! You are so fucking clueless.


While you keep hammering way on complete nonsense....you're already being left behind (as usual) by your handlers.


Click Here

"The enrollment figures may be well short of what the Obama administration had hoped for. But the fact that a significant number of Americans are now benefiting from the program is resulting in a subtle shift among Republicans.

>>>>>>>>>>>>“It’s no longer just a piece of paper that you can repeal and it goes away,” said Senator Ron Johnson, Republican of Wisconsin and a Tea Party favorite. “There’s something there. We have to recognize that reality. We have to deal with the people that are currently covered under Obamacare.”<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

And that underscores a central fact of American politics since Franklin D. Roosevelt signed the Social Security Act during the Depression: Once a benefit has been bestowed, it is nearly impossible to take it away."


and this! I've been trying to pound this into the pea sized brain of yours for weeks now.....

"Republicans are considering several ideas for how to proceed. Mr. Johnson argued that Congress should do away with the mandate that most people obtain insurance, but not the online exchanges at the heart of the law. Instead, he said, the options in the marketplaces should be augmented by other choices that fall short of the law’s coverage standards, such as catastrophic health plans. >>>>>>>>>(Many policy analysts and insurance companies say such a move would not work, because the mandates are essential to delivering a diverse pool of uninsured people.)<<<<<<<<<<<<

Get that? A diverse pool?

Including the yunguns'!

by That's funny! December 27, 2013 9:41 AM


hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Do you even know what weighted averages are?

They (young and healthy) are the DETERMINING FACTOR based on importance of the SOLVENCY regarding Obamacare
The weight is an IMPORTANCE FACTOR
Why don't you ever use a COMPLETE spreadsheet?
You are so enamored by the NUMBER signing up but you fail on the WEIGHT of the young?
If I need to explain an Excel formula to you ....why then do you use one?


Maybe you'll read something from Huffington Post?

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Fears that insurance exchanges that are the linchpin of President Barack Obama's federal health care overhaul wouldn't attract the young, healthy people needed to make them financially viable are being heightened by the early results of signups in several states.

If it becomes a trend, that could lead to increases in insurance premiums and deductibles next year. Along with the paltry enrollment numbers released this week, officials in a handful of states said those who had managed to sign up were generally older people with medical problems — those with the greatest incentives to get coverage.

It's unclear whether that will persist. Young, healthy people may be more inclined to procrastinate, especially given doubts about the law's technically flawed online signup system. They have until Dec. 15 to sign up if they want to be covered on Jan. 1.
Click Here


So,
Weighted averages are what I'm looking for while you scream about what it means?

Yeah, that about sums up your relevance
by Sooner Nation December 27, 2013 10:59 AM


As I've said to you many times
IMPLEMENT OBAMACARE ALL THE WAY!!!
Lets see what happens
Quit gerrymandering the law
ENACT THE MOTHER FUCKER 100%

Click Here

Lets see what happens!
by Sooner Nation December 27, 2013 11:06 AM


OK...one more time:

Do you (and your idiot tea bagging friends) know more about risk pools than insurance companies?

How can you be so fucking stupid? Do young people buy insurance now? Did they ever? Do you think insurance companies know the buying tendencies of their policy holders?

Do ya think!?

Geezus!

Insurance company executive: "I'm a little worried. We have no experience when it comes to the insurance buying habits of individuals 40 years old and younger. Not a clue. How will we ever be able to price our polices? I mean....this is uncharted waters!"
by That's funny! December 27, 2013 11:43 AM


Anchodummy:

One more time. Answer the question:

How is Obamacare a "success", as you claim, if we end the year with millions more uninsured Americans than when we started?

Check with your handlers on how to answer this question.


by The Truth December 27, 2013 12:26 PM


How can you be so fucking stupid? Do young people buy insurance now? Did they ever? Do you think insurance companies know the buying tendencies of their policy holders?
by That's funny!

That's Funny!!!
Why didn't Obama ask that question when he and his cohorts rammed this law through?
The law is WEIGHTED for solvency by the young to offset the costs of the FREEBIE signer uppers
It's not my fault that the law is flawed...except for the part that the BAILOUT to save the Insurance companies will be taxing my ass to save something that didn't need it!
Helping the millions that did can be achieved through risk pool management but Obama wanted to fuck up everything we had so he could (single payer) rebuild it!

Now,
Why not show the AVERAGES (weighted or not) of the healthy signing up over the subsidized, old, and sick?
I know why and so do you...but you want to flail your arms and scream about everything but
by Sooner Nation December 27, 2013 12:37 PM


"How is Obamacare a "success", as you claim, if we end the year with millions more uninsured Americans than when we started?"

Show me where I claimed it a success.

I'm not as full frontal ignorant as you people.

It remains to be seen if it will be a success....OR FAILURE!!

I imagine there will have to be 101 tweaks to the law to get it right.

But unlike you morons I don't knee jerk to a position of "scrap it" or "failure" after 3 months.

You need to move on. Your handlers already figured that much out. Now they are scrambling (finally) to put together a reasonable alternative.

If they can figure out how to keep the same insurance company reforms, keep premiums at a reasonable level, insure at least as many Americans as the ACA, and bend the overall cost of health care while getting rid of the individual mandate....I'll be the first one to endorse it.

I wonder if eliminating tax breaks for employer sponsored plans will cause ANY changes or cancellations?

Hope not....because wing nut foot soldiers have stated loud and clear that is completely unacceptable!

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!









by That's funny! December 27, 2013 12:54 PM


Soonerone: Who has claimed that the law is not flawed?

Yes or no. Do you think insurance companies know more about pricing their products than you do?

If you honestly believe that insurance companies haven't already allowed for a near worst case scenario with regard to young people signing up early than there are no adjectives in the English language to describe how utterly dense you are.
by That's funny! December 27, 2013 12:59 PM


A program this size will take years to implement and operate efficiently. You idiots expect it working perfectly from day 1.

You know how startups lose money the first few years then start to see some profit?? You don't know if it is successful for a few years at minimum.

Same concept X 10,000

Now you idiots want to claim the second largest program ever is unsuccessful after 3 freakin months because of some polls?

That is why I continue to LMAO at conservatives.
by Concerned American December 27, 2013 1:05 PM


"Show me where I claimed it a success. "
by That's funny! December 27, 2013 12:54 PM


Hoo boy. You really want to go there?

Or is this the latest talking points from your boxx at DailyKos?


Since you have conceded the point that Obamacare has failed due to a net loss of millions of insured Americans, let's go on to the next question:

Q: Why is the Obama Administration hiding the age data?

A: Because the plan selections so far (no one can actually pay for insurance through Healthcare.gov) has been heavily weighted towards older, sicker Americans, which is the primary way Obamacare will collapse.

Check with your handlers. When they tell you that the Obama Administration doesn't have the data 'compiled', remind them that age is the critical factor in pricing plans. See what they say.


Get back to us after you check in with your commissar.


by The Truth December 27, 2013 1:13 PM


"A program this size will take years to implement and operate efficiently. You idiots expect it working perfectly from day 1."
by Concerned American December 27, 2013 1:05 PM


After three years and half a billion dollars spent on writing a web site, I would expect a bare bones functioning on Day 1.

Considering that there are dozens of ecommerce companies which have been providing the exact same service for a decade or more as Healthcare.gov, I would expect people to be able to actually buy a product on Day 1.

Considering that Obama has delayed EVERY MAJOR PROVISION of Obamacare necessary for the economic model to work, I'd say that Obamacare is so flawed that it may not survive long enough for Anchofunny's '101 tweaks'


As it stands now, we're three years into implementing this law, and in just 90 days, Obamacare has increased the uninsured population by 10%.

You're doing a heckuva job, Dems!


by The Truth December 27, 2013 1:19 PM


Since you have conceded the point that Obamacare has failed due to a net loss of millions of insured Americans, let's go on to the next question:

How bout we wait and see if those millions of dropped folks are able to get a policy this year. If they don't then we will concede you are right.

You can't calculate a net loss until people have a chance to sign up for a replacement policy no? How do you get a net loss after a couple of months and the website down for half that time?

This is what I call "stuck on stupid"
by Concerned American December 27, 2013 1:21 PM


Yes or no. Do you think insurance companies know more about pricing their products than you do?
by That's funny!

Probably the stupidest question in this thread
Of course insurance actuaries can figure what a PREMIUM should be
The function that is being twisted is Obama changing the game
What actuarial tables were based UPON was data using the young and NOT SICK enrolling


Premium variations based on age are limited to a ratio of three to one (meaning the premiums for a 64 year-old is three times the premium for a 21 year-old). The limit on age rating means that, on average, older adults will be paying premiums that do not fully cover their expected medical expenses, while younger adults will be paying premiums that more than cover their expenses...
THE CAVEAT

However, because premiums are still allowed to """vary substantially based on age""", the financial consequences of lower enrollment among young adults are not as great as conventional wisdom might suggest. - See more at: Click Here


VARY SUBSTANTIALLY!?
Care to decipher?
Got a graph?
by Sooner Nation December 27, 2013 2:24 PM


"However, because premiums are still allowed to """vary substantially based on age""", the financial consequences of lower enrollment among young adults are not as great as conventional wisdom might suggest."

Exactly. So now after finally schooling yourself up on the topic will STILL keep harping on how many kids sign up in the first few months or year?

Geezus, all your pillow biting and hand wringing. WTF!?

I'm pretty sure insurance companies can figure this out without your input or concern.

You keep demonstrating that you have no idea how this law was structured relative to insurance companies. You bitch and complain without having even the foggiest idea of how this law was structured.

Yet, after a year of reforms and 3 months of open enrollment, you claim it has failed.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaah!


by That's funny! December 27, 2013 4:28 PM


And you truly sum up conservatives and the ridiculous of the Obamacare bashing. To paraphrase your words.

I am not competent at knowing how to fix and revamp the healthcare system myself but I am competent enough to know your attempt to fix it...is incompetent.

That is the incredible mind of a conservative.

Game set match.
by Concerned American December 23, 2013 8:25 PM
by Concerned American December 27, 2013 4:55 PM


Yet, after a year of reforms and 3 months of open enrollment, you claim it has failed.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaah!
by That's funny!

SHOW ME!
WHERE HAVE I SAID IT FAILED?

I'm waiting for the fucking disaster to be implemented
You and the Thinkprogress lemmings say whatever the fuck you want

Don't make it true

I'll wait for the quote where I said the LAW FAILED


by Sooner Nation December 27, 2013 8:25 PM


Ancho, CA

Has it failed or does it appear to be heading that way? It's only been a short time right Ancho? Fine, let's give it a while and wait for all of these issues to come to light. Let's wait and let the people who are being impacted decide if it's a failure.

The never ending stories like this which keep showing us how it isn't what we were promised. But hey, as you both like to point out all politicians lie.

Click Here

Yet another story pointing out how a law with the word "Affordable" in it is showing that is anything but. Forget the website issues. The problem you have is that you are right about it just getting started. People are just getting started realizing that their premiums are going up along with the co-pay and deductibles. The net result is that it is going to cost people more for health care. Also as the article points out there is a fear that because many "Bronze Plans" do not cover office visits until you meet the deductible people will actually seek out health care less often.

Yep, you're right too early to call it a failure. Let's wait for the shit to finish hitting the fan and let the people decide. Based on the way it's going, this will make the launch of "New Coke" seem like a rousing success.
by ConservativeMe December 27, 2013 10:31 PM


You keep demonstrating that you have no idea how this law was structured relative to insurance companies. You bitch and complain without having even the foggiest idea of how this law was structured.
by That's funny!

Classic,
The LAW, as it "was" written, isn't a shadow of its former self
Did Santa leave you a bowl of stupid for Christmas?
by Sooner Nation December 28, 2013 10:20 AM


I am not competent at knowing how to fix and revamp the healthcare system myself but I am competent enough to know your attempt to fix it...is incompetent.
by Concerned American

Try this

I am not competent at knowing how to make dog shit taste like cup cakes but I am competent enough to know sugar won't do it either
by Sooner Nation December 28, 2013 12:32 PM


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