Political: Retired top military brass push for Romney
Combine this with the way current military and veterans support Romney and it says a lot about our current "Commander in Chief." The people he is supposed to lead don't want him and those who have served before at the highest levels don't believe in him.
Hard to lead when nobody wants to follow you.
"Five hundred retired generals and admirals are running an ad in Monday's editions of The Washington Times calling on the country to elect Republican Mitt Romney on Tuesday."
"The retired admirals and generals said they decided to take this public stand to try to head off "having to live through four more years of what has been experienced since January 20th, 2009.""
"Among those is the surprising appearance of retired Army Gen. Hugh Shelton, a former JCS chairman, appointed by President Bill Clinton."
"In retirement, Gen. Shelton had aligned himself with Democrats, advising former Sen. John Edwards in his 2003-04 presidential run and endorsing Hillary Clinton in her 2008 presidential campaign."
"Also on the list is retired Gen. James T. Conway, whom Mr. Obama inherited as the Marine Corps commandant, and retired Gen. Michael Dugan, former Air Force chief of staff."
by ConservativeMe November 5, 2012 12:06 PM
who are retired political pundits in favor of?
....it think I would be more apt to go to them for advice on how to vote than a bunch of crusty old vets....(I am a veteran by the way and do not believe that alone gives me the right to tell others how to vote....
Would you find this as interesting if it was 500 people that used to clean the whitehouse that took out an ad in the paper...why would they be less qualified to tell you how to vote?
by Donktard Borker November 5, 2012 12:21 PM
I didn't say they were qualified to tell anyone how to vote.
My point was that it reflects poorly on Barry as Commander in Chief. Each individual can reach their own conclusion on how much or how little this matters to them when deciding how to vote.
They may not be anymore qualified to tell anyone how to vote than the guy next to you in line at the Supermarket, but I do believe they are very qualified to offer a valid opinion on Barry as the Commander in Chief. Whether someone chooses to cast their vote based on that opinion depends on how important they consider the President's ability to be the Commander in Chief.
by ConservativeMe November 5, 2012 12:36 PM
were you in the military?
I didn't feel that the president had much impact on me when I was, although that may be different for different people.....and i was in Bush SR, and Clintons' military....
I guess what my bigger piont was is:
Yeah hoooo!!!! Veterans!!!!! (I'm all gfor honoring them), but who gives a rats ass about their political opinions? What specific qualification do they have offer an informed opinion on who should run the country any more than some line worker has a grasp on who should be the chairman of GM?
If people truely stepped back and looked at waht was important to themselves, and then looked at what was important to their candidates I think you would have alot of people voting LIB (like me) ......on the other hand there is reality, and people are idiots and mostly don't care to be informed about anything, so they will blindly go running to their media outlet of choice to be further comforted by the thought that they are right, their candidate is infallable, and if the other guy wins armageddon will soon ensue......
by Donktard Borker November 5, 2012 12:45 PM
Let's try this again.
I said it isn't about their political opinions. It is about their feelings towards Barry as Commander in Chief of the military. Based upon their long careers and the ranks which they attained I would say they are qualified to render an opinion on someone's ability to be the Commander in Chief. Especially any of them who served during the Obama administration.
As far as the current military it says a lot about Barry as a leader when the people he is supposed to command would like him replaced.
It's hard to lead when others do not want to follow you.
I don't care about their opinion on most issues any more than I would the opinion of the line worker at GM. But when it comes to military related matters, I will take note of their opinions on that.
by ConservativeMe November 5, 2012 1:02 PM
DB, I was in the military during the Carter administration (as well as during Reagan's administration - stark contrast), and I will tell you it can have an effect on attitude and morale.
by Lex Parsimoniae November 5, 2012 1:24 PM
Lex- That was definately a different era than mine militarily...
"But when it comes to military related matters, I will take note of their opinions on that.
My point is this is not a military matter it is exactily the same as someone that works for GM deciding who their boss should be....how many people are there that are retired from the military? (alot more than 500)....maybe these guys represent a majority opinion....maybe they don't...since there appear to be some big guns in the mix i.e. the retired admirals and generals...I would say this is more than a public service message by "concerned citizens"
If I get a bunch of people together that used to work for the coal industry that hate Romney (some of them ex-ceo's and widows of miners) and have them take out a full page ad in the washington post supporting obama because he is for alternative energy and Romney wat's to pollute more and kill miners.....
What did your vets accomplish that this didn't and how is it different?
by Donktard Borker November 5, 2012 1:39 PM
There's not so many retired Generals and Admirals to make 500 a small number.
"since there appear to be some big guns in the mix i.e. the retired admirals and generals.."
They are all retired Generals and Admirals.
Secondly, to CM's point, these guys aren't making a call based on politics, they're making a call based on what's good for the military, the troops and the kind of CiC they want leading them.
In that regard, it's wholly relevant.
If you brought together a bunch of retired coal mining company CEO's and senior Managers, their endorsement would be relevant in so far as the coal mining industry is concerned.
Though it's inconceivable that retired CEO's and Sr managers from the coal industry (who would now be paying their retirement) would endorse Obama because of green energy.
Hell, 22 liberal 08 Obama endorsing newspapers have switched over and endorsed Romney.
by Lex Parsimoniae November 5, 2012 1:56 PM
That is where you are wrong. It is a military matter.
As I said it isn't about the politics. How someone chooses to apply the opinion of these men to their personal politics is their choice.
These men have offered an opinion of who they feel is would be a better Commander in Chief. That is a military issue and one which based on their experience I would say they are qualified to offer. I'm not saying what they say about economic or social matters would have any great relevance. But I would say they are uniquely qualified to offer a valid opinion as it relates to who leads our military.
With regards to the current service members voting heavily for Romney I would almost consider that a vote of no confidence in Obama's ability to lead them. You are telling me it isn't a military issue when the service members do not believe in their leader? Sure looks like one to me. Again, I say it is hard to lead when others do not want to follow you.
by ConservativeMe November 5, 2012 2:41 PM