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Political: Wow. Judge Janine FUMING over Benghazi

This is the passion all professional journalists should be showing over this. Shame on our president.

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by Fire for Effect November 1, 2012 10:47 AM

Hmmmm. Lets try that link again...

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by Fire for Effect November 1, 2012 10:50 AM


She said it like it is.

by splugy's ghost November 1, 2012 11:09 AM

Obama does things that are just bizarre. This is another.

by chubbs1 November 1, 2012 11:21 AM

What does Judge Judy think? She's my moral compass.
by The Tolerant Educator November 1, 2012 11:39 AM

You're a fool TTE. Everyone knows Judge Marilyn Milian is the hottest judge on television. What more do you ask in a moral compass?

Typical lib, looking to the wrong television court show judge to guide you. No wonder this country is such a mess.

by rspringer November 1, 2012 11:55 AM


You're right, my bad. I'm not hip to the latest in "Judge" programming. Plus, everyone knows that after Judge Wopner, it all went downhill from there.
by The Tolerant Educator November 1, 2012 11:58 AM

Don't attack the message (since you can't), go after the messenger. Its all you got...its all Obmama has.

BUH bye Barry.

by Fire for Effect November 1, 2012 12:01 PM

Does this anger you?

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At what point will liberals learn our enemies will not relent, they will not conform to appeasement, they will not suddenly find that peace is a better alternative. Their very souls depend on our destruction, their bible tells them so....

Screw tolerance, screw understanding, screw negotiations. Turn that trash heap called the middle east into a sheet of glass and be done with it. I as an American am tired of my leaders trying to become part of the world body, the rest of the world sucks, why should we lower our standards?

by Booth November 1, 2012 12:46 PM

besides, if we just left them to their own, i think their hatred would be more focused to their environment, and we'd be gone from there. we've got more than enough resources to compensate what we lose from that part of the world. they don't want us there - so why are we really there? to help our friends the Israeli's? i think they can handle themselves just fine. and if shit hits the fan, we're a push of the button away! :)

i mean, really?!
by dark pool November 1, 2012 1:14 PM

Ahhhh, the genocide solution.
by The Tolerant Educator November 1, 2012 1:32 PM

No TTE, that's THEIR solution, we simply need to respond accordingly. As you sit from your high Ivory tower and look down your nose at me, have you once thought of the alternatives they have given us?

Sanctions? These people build their homes with rocks and mud. What could we possibly keep from them? Education? Women aren't allowed to attend school, they can't go in public w/o a male escort from their family. Half the population is illiterate. What do you propose? They are willing to die to kill us, how do you reason with that?

For the people that believe themselves so superior in logic and thinking, liberals and progessives are some of the most naive, dipshitted people on the planet.

Fuck these jihadists and the politically correct camel they rode in on.

by Booth November 1, 2012 2:03 PM

that's always been the trump card! since the times we learned to hide under our desks at school in case of such measures! lol!
by dark pool November 1, 2012 2:03 PM

Ahhhh, the genocide solution.
by The Tolerant Educator November 1, 2012 1:32 PM

The problem TTE is if you look into their beliefs as instructed by Islam that's their solution for us.

Essentially you either join them or as an infidel you should be exterminated. That is unless you are willing to become a Dhimmi and pay a tax to them as a non-Muslim.
by ConservativeMe November 1, 2012 2:06 PM

All 1.6 billion Muslims are jihadists and terrorists? OK, good to know. I work with a Muslim guy here in my office. After lunch, let me find that machete I'm hiding in that ivory tower of mine. He's toast.
by The Tolerant Educator November 1, 2012 2:33 PM


According to born again Christians, I'm going to hell since I don't accept the J-man as my lord and savior. They don't want my immediate extermination, but I am going to hell. Is this about right? Should I just assume that 2.2 billion Christians think I'm hell bound?

Between the Muslims and the Christians, I'm really fu**ed.
by The Tolerant Educator November 1, 2012 2:36 PM


Big difference. I would encourage doing some research.

The born again christian might think you are going to hell when you die but isn't going to help you get there because you don't follow their beliefs.

I'm paraphrasing, but if you are a fundamentalist and follow the Quran you are instructed to spread Islam and those who will not convert should die by the sword.

Those Jehovah's Witnesses can be a pain when they knock on the door but I'm yet to see one with a sword.

Not to mention I'm pretty sure I haven't heard any born again christian leaders preaching a holy war against us.
by ConservativeMe November 1, 2012 2:50 PM


I had it right the first time. The Christian doesn't want my immediate extermination, but if I don't believe in THEIR version of God, I'm going to hell.

Not all Christians think I'm a sinner who is going to hell, just because I'm Jewish.

Not all Muslims wish for death to America. As a matter of fact, the overwhelmingly majority love America and only wish for most of the same things that Americans wish for. Love, health, properity and happiness.

There are lots of Christian leaders who have ZERO tolerance for gays. AIDS is a cure for homosexuality, gays are abominations, etc. Should I lump all Chrisitians into this same belief system, and have them follow their Christian "leaders"?

Rhetorical question, BTW.
by The Tolerant Educator November 1, 2012 2:56 PM

TTE, this is why you are dangerous to the rest of us. You come up with any excuse you can to justify your enlightened opinion.

You are the epitome of the contemptuous, elitist minority that spew your anecdotal wisdom around like Halloween candy. Instead of facing agression head on and admitting it for what it is, you turn a cheek, then the other, then offer the blind eye while the very people that want you dead are sitting at our doorstep. you are the enemy of the US.

Your misguided vision of reality only compounds the irony of your false moniker. You are neither tolerant, nor an educator, you are a propagandist mouthpiece for complacency and naitivity.

As far as your Muslim friend, is that the same as when white folks talk about their one black friend every time racism is brought up?

by Booth November 1, 2012 3:02 PM

Dear Booth,

This is a message board. On this board, people give opinions. Mine isn't any more enlightened than others here. It's just mine. Comprende, amigo?

Your solution seems to be nuking the entire middle east, plus all other muslims in the world.

My idea is to NOT assume that 1.6 billion Muslims want you and I dead because if our U.S. passports.

As for the Muslim guy in my office, I never said he was my friend. So, practicing my machete wielding prowess on him should be less guilt-ridden, right?

by The Tolerant Educator November 1, 2012 3:13 PM

As for the Muslim guy in my office, I never said he was my friend. So, practicing my machete wielding prowess on him should be less guilt-ridden, right?

by The Tolerant Educator November 1, 2012 3:13 PM

Before you do that can you trade me all your good players?
by ConservativeMe November 1, 2012 3:18 PM


You know as Red Sox fan after this season you might be able to claim some type of mental duress as your defense.
by ConservativeMe November 1, 2012 3:19 PM

The Bobby Valentine Defense....coming to a courtroom near you.
by The Tolerant Educator November 1, 2012 3:26 PM


Hugs and kisses right back at ya!!!
by The Tolerant Educator November 1, 2012 3:50 PM

My idea is to NOT assume that 1.6 billion Muslims want you and I dead because if our U.S. passports.

by The Tolerant Educator November 1, 2012 3:13 PM

Verse 9:123 - "Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you."

Your idea sucks.
by Booth November 1, 2012 3:53 PM

Hey Booth

by Concerned American November 1, 2012 3:57 PM

Just in case you were still doubtful about the Religion of Peace:

Qur’an:9:88 “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”
Qur’an:9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”
Qur’an:9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”
Ishaq:325 “Muslims, fight in Allah’s Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your religion will be victorious.”
Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”
Qur’an:8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”
Ishaq:324 “He said, ‘Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.’”
Qur’an:9:14 “Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them.”
Ishaq:300 “I am fighting in Allah’s service. This is piety and a good deed. In Allah’s war I do not fear as others should. For this fighting is righteous, true, and good.”
Ishaq:587 “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.”
Qur’an:8:65 “O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding.”
Ishaq:326 “Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there are twenty good fighters they will defeat two hundred for they are a senseless people. They do not fight with good intentions nor for truth.”
Bukhari:V4B52N63 “A man whose face was covered with an iron mask came to the Prophet and said, ‘Allah’s Apostle! Shall I fight or embrace Islam first?’ The Prophet said, ‘Embrace Islam first and then fight.’ So he embraced Islam, and was martyred. Allah’s Apostle said, ‘A Little work, but a great reward.’”
Bukhari:V4B53N386 “Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah alone or pay us the Jizyah tribute tax in submission. Our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says: ‘Whoever amongst us is killed as a martyr shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever survives shall become your master.’”
Muslim:C34B20N4668 “The Messenger said: ‘Anybody who equips a warrior going to fight in the Way of Allah is like one who actually fights. And anybody who looks after his family in his absence is also like one who actually fights.”
Qur’an:9:38 “Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah’s Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place.”
Qur’an:9:123 “Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you.”
Qur’an:8:72 “Those who accepted Islam and left their homes to fight in Allah’s Cause with their possessions and persons, and those who gave (them) asylum, aid, and shelter, those who harbored them—these are allies of one another. You are not responsible for protecting those who embraced Islam but did not leave their homes [to fight] until they do so.” [Another translation reads:] “You are only called to protect Muslims who fight.”
Muslim:C9B1N31 “I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify to the fact that there is no god but Allah, and believe in me (that) I am the Messenger and in all that I have brought.”
Bukhari:V9B84N59 “Whoever says this will save his property and life from me.’”
Qur’an:8:73 “The unbelieving infidels are allies. Unless you (Muslims) aid each other (fighting as one united block to make Allah’s religion victorious), there will be confusion and mischief. Those who accepted Islam, left their homes to fight in Allah’s Cause (al-Jihad), as well as those who give them asylum, shelter, and aid—these are (all) Believers: for them is pardon and bountiful provision (in Paradise).”
Tabari IX:69 “Arabs are the most noble people in lineage, the most prominent, and the best in deeds. We were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah’s helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing him is a small matter to us.”
Qur’an:48:16 “Say (Muhammad) to the wandering desert Arabs who lagged behind: ‘You shall be invited to fight against a people given to war with mighty prowess. You shall fight them until they surrender and submit. If you obey, Allah will grant you a reward, but if you turn back, as you did before, He will punish you with a grievous torture.”
Qur’an:48:22 “If the unbelieving infidels fight against you, they will retreat. (Such has been) the practice (approved) of Allah in the past: no change will you find in the ways of Allah.”
Qur’an:47:4 “When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam.”
Qur’an:47:31 “And We shall try you until We know those among you who are the fighters.”
Tabari VI:138 “Those present at the oath of Aqabah had sworn an allegiance to Muhammad. It was a pledge of war against all men. Allah had permitted fighting.”
Tabari VI:139 “Allah had given his Messenger permission to fight by revealing the verse ‘And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah.’”
Qur’an:9:19 “Do you make the giving of drink to pilgrims, or the maintenance of the Mosque, equal to those who fight in the Cause of Allah? They are not comparable in the sight of Allah. Those who believe, and left their homes, striving with might, fighting in Allah’s Cause with their goods and their lives, have the highest rank in the sight of Allah.”
Ishaq:550 “The Muslims met them with their swords. They cut through many arms and skulls. Only confused cries and groans could be heard over our battle roars and snarling.”
Qur’an:5:94 “Believers, Allah will make a test for you in the form of a little game in which you reach out for your lances. Any who fails this test will have a grievous punishment.”
Ishaq:578 “Crushing the heads of the infidels and splitting their skulls with sharp swords, we continually thrust and cut at the enemy. Blood gushed from their deep wounds as the battle wore them down. We conquered bearing the Prophet’s fluttering war banner. Our cavalry was submerged in rising dust, and our spears quivered, but by us the Prophet gained victory.”
Tabari IX:22 “The Prophet continued to besiege the town, fighting them bitterly.”
Tabari IX:25 “By Allah, I did not come to fight for nothing. I wanted a victory over Ta’if so that I might obtain a slave girl from them and make her pregnant.”
Tabari IX:82 “The Messenger sent Khalid with an army of 400 to Harith [a South Arabian tribe] and ordered him to invite them to Islam for three days before he fought them. If they were to respond and submit, he was to teach them the Book of Allah, the Sunnah of His Prophet, and the requirements of Islam. If they should decline, then he was to fight them.”
Tabari IX:88 “Abdallah Azdi came to the Messenger, embraced Islam, and became a good Muslim. Allah’s Apostle invested Azdi with the authority over those who had surrendered and ordered him to fight the infidels from the tribes of Yemen. Azdi left with an army by the Messenger’s command. The Muslims besieged them for a month. Then they withdrew, setting a trap. When the Yemenites went in pursuit, Azdi was able to inflict a heavy loss on them.”
Ishaq:530 “Get out of his way, you infidel unbelievers. Every good thing goes with the Apostle. Lord, I believe in his word. We will fight you about its interpretations as we have fought you about its revelation with strokes that will remove heads from shoulders and make enemies of friends.”
Muslim:C9B1N29 “Command For Fighting Against People So Long As They Do Not Profess That There Is No Ilah (God) But Allah And Muhammad Is His Messenger: When the Messenger breathed his last and Bakr was appointed Caliph, many Arabs chose to become apostates [rejected Islam]. Abu Bakr said: ‘I will definitely fight against anyone who stops paying the Zakat tax, for it is an obligation. I will fight against them even to secure the cord used for hobbling the feet of a camel which they used to pay if they withhold it now.’ Allah had justified fighting against those who refused to pay Zakat.”
Muslim:C9B1N33 “The Prophet said: ‘I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prostration prayer, and pay Zakat. If they do it, their blood and property are protected.’”
Muslim:C10B1N176 “Muhammad (may peace be upon him) sent us in a raiding party. We raided Huraqat in the morning. I caught hold of a man and he said: ‘There is no god but Allah,’ but I attacked him with a spear anyway. It once occurred to me that I should ask the Apostle about this. The Messenger said: ‘Did he profess “There is no god but Allah,” and even then you killed him?’ I said: ‘He made a profession out of the fear of the weapon I was threatening him with.’ The Prophet said: ‘Did you tear out his heart in order to find out whether it had professed truly or not?’”
Muslim:C20B1N4597 “The Prophet said at the conquest of Mecca: ‘There is no migration now, but only Jihad, fighting for the Cause of Islam. When you are asked to set out on a Jihad expedition, you should readily do so.’”
Muslim:C28B20N4628 “Allah has undertaken to provide for one who leaves his home to fight for His Cause and to affirm the truth of His word; Allah will either admit him to Paradise or will bring him back home with his reward and booty.”
Muslim:C28B20N4629 “The Messenger said: ‘One who is wounded in the Way of Allah—and Allah knows best who is wounded in His Way—will appear on the Day of Judgment with his wound still bleeding. The color (of its discharge) will be blood, (but) its smell will be musk.’”
Muslim:C34B20N4652-3 “The Merit Of Jihad And Of Keeping Vigilance Over The Enemy: A man came to the Holy Prophet and said: ‘Who is the best of men?’ He replied: ‘A man who fights staking his life and spending his wealth in Allah’s Cause.’”
Muslim:C42B20N4684 “A desert Arab came to the Prophet and said: ‘Messenger, one man fights for the spoils of war; another fights that he may be remembered, and one fights that he may see his (high) position (achieved as a result of his valor in fighting). Which of these is fighting in the Cause of Allah?’ The Messenger of Allah said: ‘Who fights so that the word of Allah is exalted is fighting in the Way of Allah.’”
Muslim:C53B20N4717 “The Prophet said: ‘This religion will continue to exist, and a group of people from the Muslims will continue to fight for its protection until the Hour is established.’”
Bukhari:V5B59N288 “I witnessed a scene that was dearer to me than anything I had ever seen. Aswad came to the Prophet while Muhammad was urging the Muslims to fight the pagans. He said, ‘We shall fight on your right and on your left and in front of you and behind you.’ I saw the face of the Prophet getting bright with happiness, for that saying delighted him.”
Bukhari:V5B59N290 “The believers who did not join the Ghazwa [Islamic raid or invasion] and those who fought are not equal in reward.”
Qur’an:2:193 “Fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief) and religion is only for Allah. But if they cease/desist, let there be no hostility except against infidel disbelievers.”
Qur’an:2:217 “They question you concerning fighting in the sacred month. Say: ‘Fighting therein is a grave (matter); but to prevent access to Allah, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, to expel its members, and polytheism are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they make you renegades from your religion. If any of you turn back and die in unbelief, your works will be lost and you will go to Hell. Surely those who believe and leave their homes to fight in Allah’s Cause have the hope of Allah’s mercy.”
Qur’an:2:244 “Fight in Allah’s Cause, and know that Allah hears and knows all.”

by Booth November 1, 2012 3:58 PM

Matthew 27:24-25: "When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children." This passage, probably more than any other text in the Christian Scriptures fueled anti-Judaism, and later anti-semitism. Matthew records that a crowd of Jews said a most improbable statement: that they and their children were responsible for Jesus' death. This inspired the church father Origen (circa 185-254 CE) to write: "Therefore the blood of Jesus came not only upon those who lived formerly but also upon all subsequent generations of Jews..." The Christian church taught until recently that all Jews -- past, present and future -- are equally responsible for the death of Christ.

John 8:44: "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." In this passage, Jesus is speaking to Jews who, like the majority of the residents of Palestine, rejected his teachings. He says that they are sons of Satan.

1 Corinthians 10:20-21 "But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils." Here, Paul writes that the Gods and Goddesses of other religions are actually demons. In modern terms, they are Satanists. He taught that Christians are to isolate themselves from non-Christians.

2 Corinthians 6:14 "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?" Paul is recommending that Christians have minimal contact with non-Christians. He compares Christians to light and non-Christians to darkness. This may promote hatred of non-Christians.

1 Thessalonians 2:14-15: "...ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men." This passage has been used to promote anti-Judaism and anti-semitism up to the present time. In reality, Jesus' death sentence was ordered by Pilate, a Roman official, and was carried out by soldiers in the Roman Army. Only they had the authority to crucify slaves and non-slaves who were considered to be insurrectionists and terrorists by the occupying Roman authorities.

Revelation 2:9: "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan." Here, Jesus "claims the name of Jews for himself and his church," and is condemning other Jews as followers of Satan

by The Tolerant Educator November 1, 2012 4:02 PM

John Wilkes,

Are you a believer or non-believer?
by The Tolerant Educator November 1, 2012 4:04 PM

Thanks Booth. My agnostic lifestyle has been further validated.
by The Tolerant Educator November 1, 2012 4:05 PM

Not the same, my last name is Bootheby, not Booth. Booth is a nickname.

I believe in the Trinity, God the Father his Son and the Holy ghost.
by Booth November 1, 2012 4:21 PM


So, as a practicing Catholic, did you follow these traditional Catholic teachings:

If you are currently married, should I assume you were a virgin until the wedding day? If you are unmarried, can I assume you are currently a virgin?

If you are married, can I assume you and your wife do not pracice any type of birth control?

Do you counsel the doubtful?

Do you bear wrongs patiently? Sure doesn't seem like it here.

Do you forgive offenses willingly?

Do you comfort the afflicted?

Do you ransom the captive?

Now, if you don't follow every single rule of Catholicism, I'm not one to admonish you for that. Not all Catholics follow the Bible, nor its teachings, to the exact word. After all, the bible was written over several hundred years over 2,000 yrs. ago. I won't even follow a dinner recipe that's 20 years old, so I'm sure not applying a 2,000 yr. old book as my daily mantra.

Why does this same rule not apply to Muslims? Is it not reasonable to assume that not all Muslims prescribe to those verses you noted above?
by The Tolerant Educator November 1, 2012 4:38 PM

Do you see many Catholics overthrowing their governments or staging violent protests?


Do you see Catholics killing others like the peaceful Muslims in Egypt killing Christians?

You are so quick to make excuses for Muslims all the while hating your own people. You are a traitor and a coward. Done wit cha...
by Booth November 1, 2012 5:18 PM


You are too naive and ignorant to pursue this further.


The Traitor
by The Tolerant Educator November 1, 2012 5:28 PM

Nice, so it's a you're fire, no I quit scenario... typical lib.
by Booth November 1, 2012 5:38 PM

Dude, you are pathetic. Why don't you read your previous post and let me know what "done wit cha" means? You know, the part after I'm somehow a coward (to whom?) and a traitor (to what?).

by The Tolerant Educator November 1, 2012 5:47 PM

Its sooo hard to not chime in on this.
by Unfair and Imbalanced November 1, 2012 5:52 PM

Catholic and Protestants have been killing each other for forever.

No religion has had more blood on its hands than Christianity and I am a Catholic who can admit that.

We just got past our bloodshed first.
by Concerned American November 1, 2012 5:55 PM

The problem here is too naively group 1.6 billion people as terrorists, when only the smallest fraction of them fall into this category. This type of mindset is foolish, naive, ignorant, lazy and hateful.

I don't view all Catholics as child molesters or murderers for their past sins, and I'm sure Booth would not appreciate being labeled as someone who is complicit or OK with the church cover-up. Yet, he feels it's acceptable and recommended to murder a billion people because of some extremists.

I guess the view of my ivory tower is clearer than his perspective.
by The Tolerant Educator November 1, 2012 6:16 PM

Your comment that it's the "smallest fraction" that I find foolish, naive, ignorant, lazy and hateful.

Like all liberals, you are incapable of seeing the big picture or the events down the road. Muslims will kill other Muslims w/o hesitation should they not follow with extremist Islam. You don't hear alot of Muslims condemning the acts of terrorists despite the few American Muslim organizations staving off the hate groups.

If a Caliphate is established in the middle east under the guise of "Arab Spring", you can bet your sorry naive ass those few Muslims will quickly convert to radical Islam.

Let me pose this question to you and hopefully be able to get you to see the context of this entire situation.

If Barrack Obama was assassinated by a White Supremist tomorrow, how long do you think it would take for the majority of Blacks in the US to start rioting?

All because of the "smallest fraction" of the White population. Then I would ask you, would you take up arms with or against White people if a race war broke out?

If I were a betting man, I'd say you'd join up with your White brothers and all this peace love shit you talk would be silent.

by Booth November 1, 2012 6:27 PM

In your dream hypothetical scenario, what would I do? I'd pack my bags and move to Canada or Europe.

I don't participate in Helter Skelter hypotheticals like this.
by The Tolerant Educator November 1, 2012 6:48 PM


What you either fail to accept or have not researched enough to grasp is this.

You comment on Catholics & Protestants killing in the name of religion. Absolutely it has happened. No disputing that.

You talk about moving past the bloodshed but that isn't what is at play here. It isn't a matter of "evolving" beyond that behavior.

It comes down to the fundamental teachings and tenets of the religion. The Catholics and Protestants who killed in the name of religion where outside the doctrine. They were acting as extremists.

Go research the Quran. Again I am summarizing but it says there is only one god that can be accepted. It instructs the followers of the religion to go forth and spread Islam by the sword if necessary. There is no room for any other religion or god. If you do not follow Islam you are an infidel and should be killed. No other religion instructs it's followers to act in that manner. Take the time to research it. This is fact. Not hating on them. Pointing out what the fundamental teachings of the religion are. In order to understand what you are up against you must first be willing to acknowledge and accept what drives them. I'm not saying 100% of the Muslims in the world look to follow the doctrine to it's fullest. But those who do are the extremists in the eyes of Islam. They are true fundamentalists.
by ConservativeMe November 1, 2012 7:05 PM

I have read the Quran and I'm sure you have not.

Even took a couple of Religious studies in college and discussed the ride of Christianity at length.

The rise of Christianity came by sword. It WAS NOT OUTSIDE the doctrine. It was convert or be tortured and killed.

Happened in Europe happened in South American..it happened everywhere. If you think it was spread through peace and understanding..you have no clue and are out of your mind.

Christianity was spread with unheard of bloodshed and atrocities at the time. I say this being a christian because it is true but is peaceful now through the means it took earlier in history.
by Concerned American November 1, 2012 7:44 PM


Seeing as how you profess to be the expert and no more about what I know than I do. Show me where what I said is incorrect? if you have read the Quran as you claim then you know what I said is correct.

Are you disputing the fact that the Quran states there is only one god and religion?

Are you disputing the fact it says infidels should be put to death?

It is convert or die. Well, unless you are presented with option to become a Dhimmi and pay a tax to them as a non-Muslim.

It was outside the doctrine of the bible. I'm no expert on the bible but I'm pretty sure it frowns on that behavior.

It may not have been outside the doctrine of the men who were in charge at the time but it was outside the bible.

Do yourself a favor and put aside the foolish argument of time. If it was a matter of evolution and not doctrine we wouldn't be having this debate. Islam isn't a 10 year old religion.
by ConservativeMe November 1, 2012 8:08 PM

"The rise of Christianity came by sword. It WAS NOT OUTSIDE the doctrine. It was convert or be tortured and killed."

You are a complete and utter fucking idiot.

Show me ONE VERSE in the bible it advocates conversion or death..... JUST ONE VERSE.

RULE came by sword, religion was the guise. You didn't study shit! Religion has always been the mask worn by the power hungry. Kings and Popes and dictators use Religion as the instrument of control.

The Christian Religion does not advocate genocide in any form like the Koran. You are sorry sack of shit, I can't believe you would try and make up an "I studied" story and try and bullshit everyone. Pathetic, like you always have been.

Religion was the excuse, POWER was the goal. if you doubt it, take a look at the Catholic Church. The Church is about the institution, not the faith, learn the difference.

by Booth November 1, 2012 8:19 PM

I read it long ago and it as in any other religion can be interpreted in many ways. The bible is ambiguous as the Quran. It was used to create all kinds of justifiable killings period just like the Quran when in the hands of fanatics.

Islam is a Religion of peace but has been hijacked by fanatics who kill in the name of Religion. Any religion is dangerous in the hands of fanatics.

We christians still have our Eric Rudolph's and abortion clinic bombers and those that wish to kill all abortion doctors all justified by the CHRISTIAN bible.

This is not a new concept. The chaotic government is just as blamable to their anti-western beliefs.


by Concerned American November 1, 2012 8:24 PM

Oh and Christianity also says there is only one God and no other acceptable religion that does not accept that God. Islam says the same about Allah
by Concerned American November 1, 2012 8:26 PM

I believe in the Trinity, God the Father his Son and the Holy ghost.
by Booth November 1, 2012 4:21 PM

how do you feel about Casper the Friendly Ghost
by LOANMAN November 1, 2012 8:35 PM

I don't know how to respond. I just showed you 40+ versus in the Koran advocating death and violence to non-believers, you respond with bullshit. Once again I've called your dumb-ass out and you came back with nothing.

go back to flipping your hood properties and fleecing your own people.
by Booth November 1, 2012 8:37 PM

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but what about Casper
by LOANMAN November 1, 2012 9:31 PM

This article is pretty damning against the current administration.

Let's play pass the buck and see how many times it travels.

-To the State Department

The Associated Press has reported that the CIA station chief in Tripoli and a State Department official sent word to Washington during the attack citing eyewitnesses as saying it was not a film protest, but the planned work of armed militants.

-To the Pentagon

The Pentagon would not send forces or aircraft into Libya — a sovereign nation — without a request from the State Department and the knowledge or consent of the host country. And Defense Secretary Leon Panetta has said the information coming in was too jumbled to risk U.S. troops.

-Back to the State Department

U.S. officials have said there were two unarmed drones in the area at various points of the night. One was overhead in Libya and moved to the area quickly and another was called in at a later point to provide surveillance.

So where did the Video come from again? WH says was the CIA.... but CIA says knew within the hour was terrorist and not a video.

by Booth November 1, 2012 10:14 PM

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We can thank our early leaders and the times from which they came for the freedoms we enjoy today.

It's important to remember we live in a country where we can openly discuss these issues, but to respectfully disagree with eachother rather than move to act with violence. The Koran is the only religious book that instructs followers to kill non-believers. It is important we acknowledge this fact and guard ourselves against the creeping influx of those who share these beliefs. Our leaders with a liberal all-inclusive mindset must not be allowed to jeopardize our future in exchange for being politically correct. We need specific laws and possibly a constitutional amendment to "clarify" and "protect" the America we inherited and wish to pass on to our offspring. These laws must be written to specifically protect us from the Muslims intention...which is to slowly and patiently over time amend our laws and constitution to mirror those of Islam.

If you don't think it can happen, you are not paying attention to what is happening around the world.

by Dr. Branker November 2, 2012 12:01 AM

i wanna be part of the BIG CLUB!

globalization = islamanation

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by dark pool November 2, 2012 9:56 AM


by Concerned American November 1, 2012 8:24 PM"

Ah, crap. He said PERIOD so he must be right.
by Masher November 2, 2012 3:27 PM

There's a spaghetti monster? Is he in collusion with the cookie monster?
by The Tolerant Educator November 2, 2012 3:51 PM


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