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OT: NFL hammers down on the "bountiful" Saints

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7718136/sean-payton-new-orleans-saints-banned-one-year-bounties

Head coach Payton suspended for one year, along with losing some draft picks and some fines.

But hey, whatever it takes to win a SuperBowl, right?

Maybe they rename their team " The Cheap Shots "
by Unfair and Imbalanced March 21, 2012 1:10 PM


Holy crap that is harsh. It pisses me off because we face them twice a year, but that penalty is over the top. Suspending the HEAD COACH for ONE YEAR!!! Too much.

by Thoughtforfood March 21, 2012 1:20 PM


Id say the NFL is getting the point across, TFF.

I bet this isnt going to happen again. I cant imagine another team doing this and taking the chance of getting caught now. The penalties will no doubt we worse than this one.

I guess Im a little happier with the punishment since one of the cases of this happening was against Favre in the NFC Championship game. It worked and they hurt him enough to make him in effective the rest of that game.

Why? Because of a stupid way to make some extra coin. Foolish and moronic, IMO.
by Unfair and Imbalanced March 21, 2012 1:37 PM


be* worse than this one
by Unfair and Imbalanced March 21, 2012 1:46 PM


This seems to be fair treatment of the coaches. How would he explain to the accounts payable dept that there were bonuses to be paid that were not part of a players contract? It seems like the whole organization is unprofessional from top to bottom. No more Benson boogie for awhile.
by Snapper March 21, 2012 1:52 PM


And Kurt Warner...They abused the shit out of him that year too...Hard core hits... Didn't seem "illegal" at the time, but in retrospect...

by wherewasi March 21, 2012 1:52 PM


I think it's stupid, you think every locker room doesn't have that sort of thing going on?
by InnerChild March 21, 2012 1:56 PM


Agreed, IC...Nobody talks about it, though.
by wherewasi March 21, 2012 2:07 PM


I think it's stupid, you think every locker room doesn't have that sort of thing going on?
by InnerChild March 21, 2012 1:56 PM

That's exactly why they are doing this. Sending a clear message, i bet the bounty system is over.
by forgotmypassword March 21, 2012 2:15 PM


Unless the NFL is insulated from the law, it seems that criminal charges could be on the table, no?


by Steven701 March 21, 2012 2:16 PM


I think it's stupid, you think every locker room doesn't have that sort of thing going on?
by InnerChild March 21, 2012 1:56 PM

Thats kind of the point.

My question is why? This is done specifically to put some extra money in their pockets. Really? They arent already loaded?

Its not like they got $100,000 for doing this, its a couple thousand bucks. They are already millionaires. Even if they DID get $100,000, its still WRONG.

So, to think its ok to take another player out of a game, by not abiding by the rules set in the league, to me is bullshit.

Also, if this is being done just so they can have a better chance of winning, then thats bullshit too.
by Unfair and Imbalanced March 21, 2012 2:19 PM


So the saints get toasted because everyone else is doing it to? (and I say this as a panthers fan).

They didn't do it for the money, they did it because it created a goal for them.

It's screwed up to have your goal be, to take another player out of the game yes, but that's part of the game, and every team does it.

Outside of the financial gains, I'm not really sure what rules they were breaking still... I mean trying to hit someone so hard it knocks them out of the game, isn't really against a rule...
by InnerChild March 21, 2012 2:33 PM


IMO this is pure and total BS.


Hard hitting is part of the game. Illegal hits happen the the team/player is penalized.


Example, how many fines has James Harrision had just in the last two years for illegal and late hits. Was he a "bounty player"?


Point being, all teams do it and it won't stop. It won't be as obvious but it won't stop.



by doccustodian March 21, 2012 2:57 PM


Outside of the financial gains, I'm not really sure what rules they were breaking still... I mean trying to hit someone so hard it knocks them out of the game, isn't really against a rule...
by InnerChild March 21, 2012 2:33 PM

It breaking the rules when you do it illegally. Some of their cheap shots were called for penalties, other cheap shots were not.

The high low hit on Favre in the NFC Championship game is also called The Tom Brady rule. You cannot have one defensive player go high and another go low at the same time during a tackle. Thats the one that injured Brady and it injured Favre and they got rewarded for it. Did they do it on purpose? You bet they did. Its WRONG.

I can promise you that the NFL reveiwed the game tapes of the Saints defense before they came to this conclusion.

How the refs missed some of these calls in still beyond me. What game were they watching?


by Unfair and Imbalanced March 21, 2012 3:16 PM


"It breaking the rules when you do it illegally. Some of their cheap shots were called for penalties, other cheap shots were not. "


yeah but those cheap shots happen every game, regardless of there being bounties or not. Have you read about what goes on during the scrum for a fumble?
by InnerChild March 21, 2012 3:22 PM


Point being, all teams do it and it won't stop. It won't be as obvious but it won't stop.
by doccustodian March 21, 2012 2:57 PM

I guess the prima donna NFL players are hypocrites then. If its not going to stop, then they are obviously ok with it.

So then tell me why they all sit in a circle and hold hands when a player is lying on the field and cant get up?

Are they concerned with the players health, or are they praying for a bonus check?

What are they so sad about? There was a bounty on that player and someone took a cheap shot to take him out. They should be celebrating, not sitting in a circle praying for him to get up and be ok.

Doesnt make sense.

FYI, Im being the devils advocate here
by Unfair and Imbalanced March 21, 2012 3:23 PM


The 'every lockerroom.....' argument doesn't hold water. The penalties were harsh for two reasons:

1) The bounty program was administered by the coaches. It wasn't a pool of money the players threw together. It was sanctioned and administered by Saints coaches including that douchebag Payton.

2) They flat out lied to the NFL. Don't beg for mercy after you've lied your ass off.



by rspringer March 21, 2012 3:47 PM


IC

The fact that a player goes out and does this on his own is one thing, but when youre basically ordered to do it, is another thing.

Like I just told Doc, then why are these hypocrites sitting in a huddle in the middle of the field, holding hands, praying, when a player gets hurt?

Are they just doing that to appease the fans and the media, or do they truly care about the others players health?
by Unfair and Imbalanced March 21, 2012 3:47 PM


U&I,

We seem to agree on Fooftball, hunting and fishing.

IC,

There are kids being paralized because of the mentality that you seem to be calling legal.
by YATI March 21, 2012 3:52 PM


the NFL is prepping to be sued by a group of former players with head-related injuries.
The NFL is trying to protect itself by coming down on the aints.
This was completely predictable.
by MikeM-NJ March 21, 2012 4:04 PM


U&I -

"I guess the prima donna NFL players are hypocrites then. If its not going to stop, then they are obviously ok with it."


Scott Fujita played for NO during one of the bounty seasons and admitted he donated money for the bounties.


He is an NFL union rep and fought hard for player safty during this past CBA's.


So to answer your question, yes they are hypocrites.




by doccustodian March 21, 2012 4:34 PM


Doc

I guess the old saying is true

" Athletes arent hired for their intelligence "

Yati

Very true. I went and glassed a few lakes earlier today. Alot of Common Mergansers and Hooded Mergansers sitting on the lakes. Saw a small bunch of woodys on my lake last night, just passing through. No Mallards yet, although Im sure they are around. Also saw some Shovelers on some holding ponds over by Leech Lake earlier in the week.

Alot of Geese still here that never left, and Swans. The migration is on.


by Unfair and Imbalanced March 21, 2012 4:51 PM


U&I,

There has been a hen mallard quacking in my yard and waking me up for the past few days. With this early spring, we may get a double hatch this year.
by YATI March 21, 2012 4:57 PM


Matt Millen said it best. "Bounty or not, the game plan was and should have been to knock the snot out of Brett Favre and get him out of the game."

Funny, back then the media called it a great defensive game.

I have a hard time thinking that they basically choreographed a high low hit on Favre.

I think it is a reasonable that two players coming from opposite directions at that speed end up hitting the guy from different angles. One of which was not even a hit, he wrapped the guys legs up so he couldn't run out of the pocket.

Funny how some of these hits are causing such a stir but someone like a Jared Allen or Julius Peppers hitting a quarterback unobstructed from behind and blindsiding them is perfectly legal.

Every hit for the last few years I guess is going to be scrutinized. I read a great piece by the WSJ that basically reviewed every play for the last few years and found only 6 (or something like that) truely questionable hits.




by RDG March 21, 2012 5:26 PM


Matt Millen said it best. "Bounty or not, the game plan was and should have been to knock the snot out of Brett Favre and get him out of the game."
RDG

I agree 100% with that assessment, even though it was said by Matt Millen, who has shown hes completely clueless about how to run a football organization.

Although, you will never get me to agree with a coach, who is basically saying, " I dont care how you knock him out, just knock him out "

If youre going to play football like that, then dont sit out in the middle of the field and hold hands and pray when a player is lying in the field knocked out cold or cant get up because they are paralyzed from the waste down. Is hyprocritical.

From someone who has played alot of football, yet not at any sort of professional level, I can tell you that there are ways to hit a guy the right way and the wrong way.
by Unfair and Imbalanced March 21, 2012 5:40 PM



Here's the aricle from WSJ:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203370604577263580381162426.html
by RDG March 21, 2012 6:10 PM


Amen, U&I, You don't have to leave your feet and lead with your head, and it isn't that hard to soften your blow to another player and still make a good tackle. There are alot of missed tackles because a player trys to make a tackle by knowking the shit out of a player instead of keeping their head up and wrapping their arms around the guy.
by YATI March 21, 2012 6:12 PM


RDG

"According to the NFL, the Saints rewarded players $1,000 for knocking opponents out of the game and $1,500 if the player had to be taken off in a cart"

From your article, the last part of that is what I disagree with. $1,500 if someone goes off on a cart. Really?

Thats pathetic and wrong.


by Unfair and Imbalanced March 21, 2012 7:02 PM


U&I--this was according to the NFL. Where did they get this from?

While many players and coaches admitted there was a bounty system, nobody has admitted their intent to have players carted off the field.

Furthermore, nobody was as the result of any illegal hits.

So if the hits were legal, what's the issue?
by RDG March 21, 2012 9:16 PM


RDG

There is an article or two, plus an old thread on here, stating from the VP of referees how there were missed ILLEGAL hits in the Vikings/Saints NFC Championship game.

The High low was one. On a different play, Sharper took 2 and a half steps and decked Favre. Thats just 2 right there.

Just because nobody was carted off the field, and Favre basically was anyway, doesnt make this right.

FYI, NOBODY is going to admit intent. Thats a hit to their pocket book and suspensions. They wont say a word.

Your justifying of these actions is wrong, illegal hits or not. The thought process alone is wrong.

If you go up to a cop and tell him youre going to kill him, thats against the law whether you follow through with it or not.

If you make a bounty system in the NFL, its against the rules, whether you follow through with it or not.
by Unfair and Imbalanced March 22, 2012 12:41 AM


Yeah, and apparently if you target a player with a known history of concussions and you're on any other team, you get a pass.

Seriously, if this is about protecting the players, where are the fines and suspensions for this? These players openly acknowledge and brag that they targeted a player who may have been vulnerable to a head injury.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/giants-knew-kyle-williams-had-concussion-problems-targeted-183400986.html

Look, if refs are missing calls, then that's on them. The NFL needs to work with them to ensure they are doing a quality job.

You keep going back to one game, I'm sorry your dreams of a Favre led Superbowl appearance were dashed, but the fact remains that the "bounty system" actually produced little on the field.

You can add up all the missed calls by the refs and the Saints are still not the most penalized team.

This supposedly went on for THREE YEARS!

Again, if the hits were legal, how do you prove intent to injure? Someone mentioned criminal charges before...good luck getting a prosecutor to take that case given the context and complexity of the game.

NFL players are willing participants in a violent sport.

It's all bullshit.



by RDG March 22, 2012 1:37 AM


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