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Who Dat ? Bounties!??

So the New Orleans Saints staff was offering bounties for injuring opposing players. Fines? Sanctions? Hell...how about criminal charges.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-cole_saints_bounty_gregg_williams_punishment_030212


I am frankly surprised that a player or two would not have exposed this BS much earlier. The NFL players I have known, although highly competitive, have the utmost respect for their colleagues throughout the league.

This crap is reprehensible.

by Fire for Effect March 3, 2012 12:34 PM


it is , but not the first time in the NFL.
- let's see what the league will do about this.
by MikeM-NJ March 3, 2012 1:18 PM


Its a 100% bogus style of playing football.

Ill commend Favre for not whining about all of the cheap shots delivered by the Saints during the 2009 NFC Championship game.

Whats even worse is that no penalties were called for the high low hits on him during that game.

I dont mind a defensive player trying to hit a star player legally to put him on the bench, but the high low and shots to the knees and head is wrong.


by Unfair and Imbalanced March 3, 2012 3:32 PM


So, in all the years that this supposedly took place, can anyone show me any of these vicious, illegal hits where people were carted off the field?

U&I.....please show me the illegal hits on Favre. That was merely aggressive defense. Even the low hits were the result of pursuit and momentum and the replay shows that they didn't hit him with the full force they could have. It wasn't some conspiracy to get the Saints to the Superbowl.

If you put a 40 year old man who can't move around anymore back there against an aggressive playing defense, he's gonna take some shots and may get hurt.

Don't they pay bonuses defensive players' contracts for the number of sacks they get? Are they getting those sacks with shoestring tackles?

We really need to put this in perspective. This is not lacrosse we're talking about, this is the NFL.


by RDG March 4, 2012 7:15 AM



I am frankly surprised that a player or two would not have exposed this BS much earlier. The NFL players I have known, although highly competitive, have the utmost respect for their colleagues throughout the league.

This crap is reprehensible.

by Fire for Effect March 3, 2012 12:34 PM

That's because this is being blown out of proportion by the media, FFE. Again, let's put this in perspective. Every player on defense in the NFL are paid big money to make big plays. Sure, the NFL has rules against any informal pay for performance incentives, but c'mon, they weren't out there doing anything illegal in the game.
by RDG March 4, 2012 7:23 AM


RDG. Please. There will be stiff sanctions. And for a reason. The staff was offering incentives for INJURING opposing players. Having them carted off the field. That crosses the line from hard nosed football into something much worse. That type of behavior has to be, and will be, punished.
by Fire for Effect March 4, 2012 9:51 AM


RDG

You want proof of the illegal, non penalty called hit on Favre? Please see below and check your facts!!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2009/news/story?id=4868880

"With the score tied 21-21, Favre took a hit from Saints defensive end Bobby McCray. The quarterback's left ankle was injured during the play, and he got it treated on the sideline and remained in the game."

"Pretty much a direct shot into the back of [Favre's] legs," Pereira said of the hit.

Now, you DO know that Pereira is the VP of officials in the NFL, correct?

"NFL.com reported the league fined McCray $20,000 for two incidents involving unnecessary roughness during the game, citing a league source."

"In the first quarter, McCray delivered a blow to Favre out of the play. Then there was the third quarter hit to the legs."

"The Vikings would have had a first down at the Saints' 19-yard line"

but hey RDG, those werent penalties, right?

"It's the type of hit that we don't want," NFL vice president of officiating Mike Pereira said

Here is another source

http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Saints_hits_on_Brett_Favre_in_2009_title_game_likely_had_a_price_tag030212

"The hit that most remember was a high-low take out that McCray and nose tackle Remi Ayodele put on Favre in the third quarter that left the veteran on the turf with an injured left ankle"

High low take out? Please show me RDG where this is legal?

You must be a Saints homer that is so blinded with the Super Bowl win that you look past the facts, huh?
by Unfair and Imbalanced March 4, 2012 11:19 AM


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/12837591/low-moment-missed-call-on-favre-hit-inexcusable

"To be clear, when the league clarified the "Brady rule" it said, "it is not a foul if the defender is blocked [or fouled] into the passer and has no opportunity to avoid him." But McCray had every opportunity to avoid Favre, and he was not blocked into him"

RDG, would you like more proof?
by Unfair and Imbalanced March 4, 2012 11:26 AM


RDG, need more proof?

http://views.washingtonpost.com/theleague/nflnewsfeed/2010/01/nfl-admits-call-missed-on-favre-hit.html

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/82848712.htmlhttp://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/82848712.html

http://gazettextra.com/news/2010/jan/29/official-says-refs-missed-call-low-favre-hit/
by Unfair and Imbalanced March 4, 2012 11:33 AM



How's this for proof, video of every hit on Favre during that game. Just about 2:15 mark of the video is the hit you are referring to. Do you really believe the high-low hit was intentional??? Watch it again...McCray is coming wide off the corner around the right tackle, when Favre steps up, forces him to change his direction and he stumbles--right into Favre's legs. That's the only questionable call I see, and I seriously doubt--at the speed in which it is unfolding--that it was intentional. Looks to me like the Saints defense, while playing aggressive, just simply outplayed the Vikes offense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJG7WtIn8f8


by RDG March 4, 2012 9:43 PM


Youre an idiot dude!!

He stumbles and falls? Really? but he still has the awareness to try to tackle him?

If he was trying to avoid him, he wouldnt have stuck his arms out to tackle him

Dont take my word for it, take the word of the VP of officials, or maybe you think hes wrong too?
by Unfair and Imbalanced March 5, 2012 2:34 PM


Look at the play at the 1:21 mark of you video

If thats not a lift and slam, which is also illegal, then I dont know what is
by Unfair and Imbalanced March 5, 2012 4:11 PM


Williams has already admitted he put out the bounties RDG.


With that said, do you believe N.O. was only team?



by doccustodian March 5, 2012 4:49 PM


I'm an idiot? You're the one who's SHOCKED that this happens in the NFL. The lift and slam happens EVERY GAME man, EVERY GAME! How often do people point to it as proof of a bounty program??

If there wasn't some stupid pay for performance program, and they still played like that, they would be called an aggressive defense!!

Like doccustodian said, do you think NO was the only team offering a pay for performance bounty program?

I bet you any defensive player in the NFL given the chance wouldn't hesitate to take a shot that would ring the QB's bell and land themselves on highlight reels.

"I dont mind a defensive player trying to hit a star player legally to put him on the bench, but the high low and shots to the knees and head is wrong."
by Unfair and Imbalanced March 3, 2012 3:32 PM

It's perfectly legal for someone like Julius Peppers to blindside a QB and deliver a serious blow from behind.

Why is that any less serious?
by RDG March 7, 2012 10:04 PM


Youre an idiot dude!!

He stumbles and falls? Really? but he still has the awareness to try to tackle him?

If he was trying to avoid him, he wouldnt have stuck his arms out to tackle him

Dont take my word for it, take the word of the VP of officials, or maybe you think hes wrong too?
by Unfair and Imbalanced March 5, 2012 2:34 PM

I didn't say he was trying to avoid him. Why would he be trying to avoid him? He was trying to wrap up his legs and tackle him. You did notice Favre was trying to escape the pocket, didn't you? He began to stumble and dove forward, at Favre's feet to wrap him up. It's called pursuit. You don't stop until the whstle blows. Ankle tackling is still allowed, isn't it?

So, what your saying is you have a problem with the fact that two players, coming from different directions, moving at full speed, hit him from different angles, in different places. Is that right?

I can name dozens of players off the top of my head who are in the Hall of Fame that played the same way. If you are a football fan, I guarantee one of those former players is someone you admired.
by RDG March 7, 2012 10:17 PM


Here's my last post on this. Former players and coach talking about the bounty. Millen even says that you take away the bounty program, and there's nothing wrong with the level of aggressiveness. London Fletcher said those hits happen every weekend.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d82767080/The-end-of-bounties?module=HP11_hot_topics
by RDG March 7, 2012 10:34 PM


Ok, one more..


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203370604577263580381162426.html



by RDG March 7, 2012 10:46 PM


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