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Political: Is forcing someone to buy Health Insurance even Constitutional?

http://biggovernment.com/2009/11/06/committee-confirms-comply-with-pelosi-care-or-go-to-jail/
by JackStraw November 6, 2009 5:48 PM

I forcing someone to buy auto insurance constitutional?
by Donktard Borker November 6, 2009 6:13 PM

I have not read any of the proposals, or the link JS provided, but the gov. will figure out a way to make life miserable for those who do not buy insurance - probably tie penalties for no insurance to the wonderous IRS tax code, which will allow them to crack into your bank accounts (if any!), place liens on your personal and business assets, etc. Are we having a good time, yet?
by VanbytheRiver November 6, 2009 6:17 PM

DB, noone is forced to buy auto insurance.

People only have to buy it if they choose to
drive a vehicle, which is a priviledge, not a right.

However, Pelosi's bill penalizes you for not buying health insurance,
there is no option to opt out.

With car insurance you have that option.
by kabb November 6, 2009 6:18 PM

I forcing someone to buy auto insurance constitutional?
by Donktard Borker November 6, 2009 6:13 PM

Are you required to cover YOUR car? Will you go to jail if you don't have auto insurance?

Nope.


by Hey everyone, look at me! November 6, 2009 6:21 PM

speaking of auto insurance, is there anyone out there cheaper than Geico with teenage drivers? Anyone know?
by the voice of reason November 6, 2009 6:21 PM

that's a pretty thin line their Kabb...

I'll re-phrase

Is it consitutional for the gubberment (be it state, local, federal, whatever) to force us to purchase auto insurance if we have the mis-fortune of acquireing an automobile due to our employment not being within reasonable walking distance from our homes, and does not provide boarding services for our horses should we be Amish?
by Donktard Borker November 6, 2009 6:22 PM

HELAM

I can't renew my license without it...so I would say it is mandatory...and I did not specify who had to be covered only that I am required by law to purchase a form of auto insurance if I choose to keep my job and not walk 15 miles one way each day.
by Donktard Borker November 6, 2009 6:23 PM

HELAM

I can't renew my license without it...so I would say it is mandatory...and I did not specify who had to be covered only that I am required by law to purchase a form of auto insurance if I choose to keep my job and not walk 15 miles one way each day.
by Donktard Borker November 6, 2009 6:23 PM

What type of insurance must you have on your vehicle?

by Hey everyone, look at me! November 6, 2009 6:28 PM

They don't care if you don't buy it. They want the penalty fee that IRS will collect from you.
by boundlessloans November 6, 2009 7:22 PM

My basic assertion-

You stating forced health insurance is unconstitutional is the same as me stating forced auto insurance is unconstitutional.

Your reply-

!@#$%& dog &*^% gravy *&^%$&*^%$ face !@#$%^ #$%^
liberal commie *&^%$#@ ^%$# pinko *&^%$#@ fag (*&^%$#



ride a bus....

who sounds like a liberal now???

p.s. you have a choice...suicide is an option....so opt-out a-holes....just like I have a choice in auto insurance I can walk or take a non-existant bus/train to work or maybe wrap my docker pantlegs in in black sox and ride my mountain bike to work...hell maybe I'll put a banana seat on it so I can take one of my LO's out to lunch one day...

*scoff*

and If I don't like it maybe I can move closer to work....and live in some commercial space near my office so I can walk...sure that'd be Ideal for my wife, 3 year old, and new baby who is still in the hospital... but why am I being such a selfish prick? I should set my car on fire so I don't need to have auto insurance and then try to walk/take a bus/hitch a ride with whatever a-hole will pick me up on the side of the road when I actually can get away from the office for an hour or two a day to go to hospital to see my baby...f-me.... god I am such an idiot selfish prick....it's so fuckin easy to just not drive why the f' would I want to bow down to the man and pay auto insurance....

like I said you have an option too use it f- wadds!


(I have drank alot tonight and after some further reflection I am still pushing the post reply button on this)

Everything isn't as cut and dried in this world as we would like it to be and as much as your above arguements are valid I feel mine are too. Go ahead and tear my reply apart, but I feel we are argueing the same arguement, you just haven't taken the time to see that we are....

DB.



by Donktard Borker November 6, 2009 9:41 PM

Again I ask. What type of insurance must you have on your vehicle?



by Hey everyone, look at me! November 6, 2009 9:58 PM

Are you being obtuse or just a PITA?

I must have insurance, be it on my vehicle, your vehicle, or my johnson, It is forced insurance if I must have.....

I didn't in the past see what some people's aversion was to you, but now I am starting to understand....
by Donktard Borker November 6, 2009 10:04 PM

I guess you're too dense to understand.


by Hey everyone, look at me! November 6, 2009 10:06 PM

I'll take LIABILITY INSURANCE for $500 HELAM.

Just don't tell me to F.O. anymore.


by Tux November 6, 2009 10:14 PM

after a smoke, and a fresh drink, I'll post this and then abandon the thread...

Forced health ins IS BullS@#$....just like forced auto ins is BullS%^&...

That was my original point, if ya'all took it in another way....well I can't help that..

p.s don't be so quick to jump on anyone that doesn't seem to instantly agree with you....it really makes it hard to agree with you later, even if we were in agreement in the first place

p.p.s HELAM you need a hug...
by Donktard Borker November 6, 2009 10:23 PM

after a smoke, and a fresh drink, I'll post this and then abandon the thread...
by Donktard Borker November 6, 2009 10:23 PM

You're a forced place health care systems wet dream.

Now, go drive without car insurance to the store to get yourself some more smokes and alcohol.





by Hey everyone, look at me! November 6, 2009 10:29 PM

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by Donktard Borker November 6, 2009 10:48 PM

Is that on your Christmas list?

It's only like 8 bucks?
by Hey everyone, look at me! November 6, 2009 11:10 PM

I'll take LIABILITY INSURANCE for $500 HELAM.

Just don't tell me to F.O. anymore.


by Tux November 6, 2009 10:14 PM

Right on..

But, you only have to have it if you drive the car on a public highway!
by dead eye November 7, 2009 5:53 AM

hell maybe I'll put a banana seat on it so I can take one of my LO's out to lunch one day...
by Donktard Borker November 6, 2009 9:41 PM

Dude, you can be funny as hell sometimes.

We are praying for little Addison Borker over here.




by Is that a joke? November 7, 2009 7:00 AM

I've seen some estimates that between 12-15% of ALL drivers DON"T have ANY insurance.

Where is the outcry from the Dems for AUTO INSURANCE reform?

;)

http://sacramento.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/2009/02/23/focus2.html

"Insurance companies are missing out on a big chunk of potential business in California: the 18 percent of drivers who don’t have coverage."

http://www.wtkr.com/news/wtkr-driving-without-a-license,0,4209536.story

"A record number of people in Virginia are doing that same wrong. Last year, DMV suspended more than 432,000 licenses because drivers didn't pay their fines. If you spend a day in traffic court, you'll find many, like Susan, didn't pay because they've lost jobs. But they kept driving anyway."


http://www.allbusiness.com/insurance/liability-insurance/13237933-1.html

Oct. 18--MOTORISTS BEWARE -- the latest national survey shows one in four Oklahomans drive without insurance.

Oklahoma's rate in a survey released in January by the national Insurance Research Council is 24 percent -- the fourth-worst in the nation."
"
by NG November 7, 2009 10:47 AM

I must've missed the part of the Constitution that says you have to buy your way into citizenship by paying the government money for something you don't have to have.

We get a socialist thug from Chicago as President, and a year later we're looking at the mother of all protection rackets.

Somewhere in hell, Al Capone is laughing his ass off.
by TheGoblinKing November 7, 2009 2:39 PM

NG,

"""Where is the outcry from the Dems for AUTO INSURANCE reform?"""

Hey, look up which 'Progressive' insurance magnate donates the most to liberal causes.

Yes, them.
by TheGoblinKing November 7, 2009 2:42 PM

Someone needs to turn the current congress into a sitcom.
seriously...millions there.
by kabb November 7, 2009 4:12 PM

No offense DB, but some still seem to believe life should conform to them.
I don't live close enough...give me a subsidy.
I don't have available public transportation (which usually means public
transportation is inconvienient....) isn't available.

I'm not responsible for finding jobs that meet my criteria..

this gets really old.

and weak;.
by kabb November 7, 2009 4:39 PM

The auto insurance analogy is a red herring. The only insurance you are required to carry is liabiity insurance - to cover the damage you may do directly to others while operating a dangerous piece of machinery on purblic roads - often at high speeds. In other words, I have to have insurance to cover the injuries I impose on someone else - not myself.

Actually, if I remember correctly my my casualty insurance days (about 35 years ago) most of these laws are titled as "Financial Responsibiity Acts" or some such. It isn't incommon for the insurance requirement to be waived if you demonstrate sufficient assets or bonding sufficient to cover some minimum amount - often something like $10,000 or $20,000.

There is a fundamental problem here. If I don't carry insurance or have sufficent assets to cover my own health care requirements, then the fact is health care becomes available to me for free (meaning taxpayers or others pay for the care). For the argument to be completely valid - the one where I say its my own business if I carry insurance - then taxpayer coverage should not be availabe to be if I judge the risk wrongly and end up with cancer requiring $300,000 or $3,000,000 in medicall treatment.


by Primerate November 7, 2009 8:03 PM

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