Mortgage Grapevine

Anyone hear of Empire Logging and Timber

This bank is offering 1% down on commercial property at 4% no points on a 30 yr fix

feedback anyone
by yourmoneyguy@hotmail.com February 13, 2008 12:00 AM

Shoot. I was hoping for a good tree story.


by TennesseeTuxedo February 13, 2008 12:00 AM

TT, are you just copying and pastiing your responses today?
by Just a broker February 13, 2008 12:00 AM

Only when I think I´ve missed a good tree story.


by TennesseeTuxedo February 13, 2008 12:00 AM

Bob is a bad guy, program doesn´t work
by ocean tech February 13, 2008 12:00 AM

who is bob
by yourmoneyguy@hotmail.com February 14, 2008 12:00 AM

Robert Bauchman? If you know more can you please email me private. Thank you.


by yourmoneyguy@hotmail.com February 14, 2008 12:00 AM

just ask Bob to "prove" to you that even "1" of these products are in place with some borrower some where. You won´t. Everything is "pending" for one reason or another, and "tomorrow" or "next monday" or "this coming friday" can only go on for so long....Do not! and I mean Do Not! allow any of your borrower´s/client to give him any "upfront" monies. No more needs to be said of my personal experience, just watch out!

mho
by ocean tech February 14, 2008 12:00 AM

Please send some evidence that this is not real.
by needhomesaved February 14, 2008 12:00 AM

We are ready to send our payment now. We are supposed to have a loan approved.


by needhomesaved February 14, 2008 12:00 AM

I heard of the program and have a friend that closed on a loan with them. Actually the owner is Robert Baschman Jr. at 716.238.2613. Feel free to respond to this if you want more info. I have nothing bad to say....
by Omar Jackson February 14, 2008 12:00 AM

Hello... Omar... Thank you for your reply.. Are you a broker? And can you give more details about your friends experience with the interest deposit and closing process? Thank you..
by tonyab February 14, 2008 12:00 AM

Please feel free to email all information about this company to pleasesaveourhouse@gmail.com .
by needhomesaved February 15, 2008 12:00 AM

I smell me an ad!
by Uhhhhdel February 15, 2008 12:00 AM

Please if you have any information at all about this company email me at pleasesaveourhouse@gmail.com. If you tried already, there was a problem with the email.
by needhomesaved February 15, 2008 12:00 AM

If anyone reading this thread does not believe that Empire Logging is not fraud, then please see this website - http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-nysdce/case_no-1:2008cv01336/case_id-320910/.
by CBOofTN February 15, 2008 12:00 AM

That was bad English on the last post. I meant to say ´If anyone reading this thread does not believe that Empire Logging IS fraud...´
by CBOofTN February 15, 2008 12:00 AM

doesn´t surprise me. Should be more complaints coming soon!

Think about it:

"give us your collateral or we´ll provide one, we´ll create an ´instrument´ of value, and by the way put down a nominal commitment - let´s say $5k? we´ll turn it into $50k in 2 - 4 weeks and then ´roll´ it again and in 6 months you´ve created up to $5MM"!!

Does that sound logical to you????
by ocean tech February 15, 2008 12:00 AM

I went to the link and all it says is that Ticor is filling against Empire. The way I interpert it is, Ticor is saying prove it.

by mortgageking05 February 15, 2008 12:00 AM

The point is that if you are dealing Empire Logging, you should take caution.
Ticor Title is a reputable company to be trusted. If you look at the Better Business Bureau, then you will see that Empire Logging has only been on file since February 1st. Here is the link http://search.buffalo.bbb.org/codbrep.html?ID=140604824. With Empire Logging being a new company and Ticor taking suit up with them, that is enough for me to think they are not someone I would want to do business with.
by CBOofTN February 15, 2008 12:00 AM

Actually another friend of mine closed with them as well. I don´t know about the Ticor lawsuit but I do know that Mike from Empire closed a loan for me. His number is 865-465-3765. Does anyone have any PROOF of anything above or was my loan a hoax as well????
by Omar Jackson February 15, 2008 12:00 AM

HEY. Based on the above logic, I wouldn´t deal with Ticor either or any company that has been sued multiple times. See below links...

TICOR SUED...OVER AND OVER AND OVER...

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=wa&vol=2007_app/253279MAJ&invol=4

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ticor+title+sued&btnG=Google+Search


by Omar Jackson February 15, 2008 12:00 AM

I don´t know how many times I have heard people say their ´friends´ have done these loans. I have not heard even one person say that they, themselves, have actually went thru with one.


by CBOofTN February 15, 2008 12:00 AM

Omar, would you please email me some proof that these loans are real. pleasesaveourhouse@gmail.com

by needhomesaved February 16, 2008 12:00 AM

does anyone have proof on either side that there are loans or that they don´t exsist. I heard about the program and you know what they say "If it sounds to good to be true it is"
by WBG February 16, 2008 12:00 AM

Ticor Title = Fortune 500 company
Empire Logging = L.L.C.

I am a lender and have no ties with either company. I just do not want anyone to lose their hard earned money.

Please use common sense and stay away from Empire Logging. WBG is absolutely correct. Be patient and let time show them for what they are.
by CBOofTN February 16, 2008 12:00 AM

OK, Has everyone forgot that the 1% payment was made out and went to TICOR!!! So, I do not understand your statement to stay away from Empire. You seem to be insinuating that they have taken the money and run, which is not so. Use common sense, if that were the case then funds would have been payable to Empire.
by PTL February 17, 2008 12:00 AM

Can anyone give me any more information on this lender? I have heard about this loan and I have a few people interested?
by talktome February 18, 2008 12:00 AM

you can email me at rose1558@yahoo.com
by talktome February 18, 2008 12:00 AM

Has anyone done business with Empire Logging and Timber to date good or bad. We all must admit Ticor Title is hugh and why would they be involved if the program was not true as stated....This would not be to there benefit at all. If the funds received are made to Ticor Title and are held until loan is closed where does it go wrong?
by wbg1 February 18, 2008 12:00 AM

From what I understand is, Ticor was receiving all kinds of calls from people trying to verify that this was legit and also people were calling the various abc agencies and getting them involved and Ticor got concerned, but that still does not explain the fact that they have everyone´s funds, not Empire,so to be pointing a finger at Empire this soon is a little rash. I had even received correspondence from Ticor just a week ago to sign a document and no mention of anything being wrong. I think everyone needs to relax and I do believe things will be worked out very shortly.
by PTL February 18, 2008 12:00 AM

PTL ....is this a loan you speak of for you or a client,
and how far into the process are you at this point?
When are you scheduled to close?
by wbg1 February 18, 2008 12:00 AM

The loan is mine and I am supposed to close in mid March.
by PTL February 18, 2008 12:00 AM

From thelegaldescription.com, 2/3/08: From the Almost 50 Long Island and New York City homeowners could face foreclosure because money collected at real estate closings was never forwarded to their proper recipients, according to a $3.5 million lawsuit filed by Ticor Title Insurance Co. in the State Supreme Court in Manhattan.

And from the Empire Logging loan application:
Servicing: The loans created by our company are not sold on the open market. At closing the applicant will establish a serving contract with a third party. Empire Logging and Timber LLC has a full service customer support staff dedicated to meeting your needs, and will continue to be available to assist in that capacity.

How do I know that my funds would not disappear and the closing falls through? What is teh content of Ticor´s lawsuit against Empire? Is there a connection?

by wwr February 18, 2008 12:00 AM

Robert Baschman Jr. at 716.238.2613. - VM box is full. I wonder if that will change soon ...
by wwr February 18, 2008 12:00 AM

I heard of the program and have a friend that closed on a loan with them. Actually the owner is Robert Baschman Jr. at 716.238.2613. Feel free to respond to this if you want more info. I have nothing bad to say....
by Omar Jackson February 14, 2008


Actually another friend of mine closed with them as well. I don´t know about the Ticor lawsuit but I do know that Mike from Empire closed a loan for me. His number is 865-465-3765. Does anyone have any PROOF of anything above or was my loan a hoax as well????
by Omar Jackson February 15, 2008

What were you doing when you posted the first comment? Smoking crack?

And when you posted the second comment, did you put the pipe down inbetween the first and second sentence and had an AHA moment and realized you closed a loan with them?

Hogwash!!!!! If your going to FIB then at least do it without "outing" yourself.

On second thought maybe your last sentence says it all.



by marie3328 February 18, 2008 12:00 AM

Why do you think they call it dope?

A firewood story for the penguin would have been a better idea.
by Just a broker February 18, 2008 12:00 AM

Yeah, something definitely smells around here and I don´t think its firewood.
by marie3328 February 18, 2008 12:00 AM

Gee Angel I don´t know? Do you think Omar replied? Why don´t you go back and reread the whole thread and then tell us if you think Omar replied.

That´s about as moronic as you thinking your the grammar police. Sorry, just typing fast.
by marie3328 February 18, 2008 12:00 AM

We are supposed to have a loan through this company. I actually talked to Robert Baschmann Jr. this morning. I´m trusting him that this is real and that my loan will go through. His voicemail is probably full because his number has been posted here. I left my email earlier and no one has emailed me proof that this is not going to be a legit loan. Send me proof if you have it whether good or bad pleasesaveourhouse@gmail.com
by needhomesaved February 19, 2008 12:00 AM

What is the lawsuit against Empire about? I couldn´t getting any info from the above links. Has anyone sent any money to Ticor?
by mikoli007 February 19, 2008 12:00 AM

I am looking at a promissory note that was created by Empire. It states Empire as the Borrower and the customer as the Lender. Why?

This is taken from that same paragraph:

´(borrower and lender information) may designate, the principal amount of (loan amount), or so much of the unpaid prinipal balance thereof as shall have been advanced and remain due and unpaid, on demand but only if Borrower is unable to obtain a letter of credit in an amount no less than (loan amount) in connection with Borrower´s lumber/timber transactions.´

does this sound odd to anyone else?

By the way Angel, I believe most people would agree that bad grammar is not as bad as smoking crack.
by CBOofTN February 19, 2008 12:00 AM

Bob Baschmann is smoking crack! And if you believe his crap then you might as well be smokin´ crack! His program does not work!! absolutely not!! Do not send your client/borrower to him.....you have been more than fairly warned by all.


needhomesaved says:

"I actually talked to Robert Baschmann Jr. this morning. I´m trusting him that this is real and that my loan will go through."

PUT THE CRACK PIPE DOWN!! google Bob and see what you find. "Trusting him", 1st mistake.
by ocean tech February 20, 2008 12:00 AM

To: oceantech

Can you tell me what your angle is here are you a competitive broker etc. When I follow the thread your obvious animosity has to come from somewhere. What exactly do you have to do with this. Have you personally lost money or anyone you know lost money?

I would like to know the merits of this program myself. But I do not want to read a person bashing just for the sake of controversy. I would like to hear facts not gossip as I am sure most responsible adults would, who have their own businesses to run. Please inform me.
by objectiveview February 20, 2008 12:00 AM

objectiveview,

You must of read my mind. So oceantech, whats your story?
by PTL February 20, 2008 12:00 AM

I read the complaint by Ticor against Empire Logging & Bob Baschman Jr. If you think this may be a real deal, stop doing so. All you need to know is that over 150 people have placed the 1% down in escrow accounts since December 2007 and none of the deals have funded. The suposed "prepaid interest" in the escrow accounts is being moved to a private account with the Bank of China. I hear alarm bells going off everywhere. The complaint also claims Empire created a website for "World Alliance of Mayors", which is where they claim their humanitarian funds comes from. This entity is believed to be created by Robert Baschman. Ticor also claims that Empire Logging hacked their website and added themselves to the partners list.
If it smells like it and looks like it, guess what, that´s what it is.
by ncmnorth February 20, 2008 12:00 AM

I have had personal experience with Bob. He´s a flake, a serious one. If you want to believe him, go ahead. I sent other people to him ( that´s how Bob works: "meanwhile while we´re putting your deal together, who else do you know that could use a little help?"). I regret it now. Some of these people connected with other people and so on and so on. From the time I recognized what a slimeball Bob was I started warning everybody down line. I actually was probably involved around the inception of his great plan. He´s going to go to jail, and it´s not quick enough.

I don´t need to tell you anymore. If you´ve experienced Bob the blowviator you know what I´m talking about. If you are stupid enough to go forward with Bob, you´re just a greedy little bastard yourself! enough said.




by ocean tech February 20, 2008 12:00 AM

ncmnorth,
Thank you for finally shedding some light on the whole deal. Is that complaint available to the public? If so, where can I find it, or have it faxed to me?


by CBOofTN February 20, 2008 12:00 AM

To: Ocean tech

RE:I don´t need to tell you anymore. If you´ve experienced Bob the blowviator you know what I´m talking about. If you are stupid enough to go forward with Bob, you´re just a greedy little bastard yourself! enough said.

I have not experienced Bob or his program. I was simply attemping to acquire the information that you were proporting. It is unfortunate that you feel the need to reply in a derogatory manner to an open question. Not greedy or a bastard - just trying not to be ignorant and base opinion and/or judgement on supposition.

If what you state is true post your email address and phone# and bring it all to the table and in the open including the people who you claim have been duped along with you. That is not an unreasonable request if your motive is to truly bring to information in order to help others. If not again what is your motive.



by objectiveview February 20, 2008 12:00 AM

To: mcmnorth

Can you tell us how to acquire a copy of the complaint.
by objectiveview February 20, 2008 12:00 AM

objectiveview,

make the call and have a conversation and hear what he has to say about himself and his actions. I don´t need to disclose anymore to you or anybody else. Yes, my comments are subjective. Until you´ve experienced his scam, you know not what you know not - my comments are made only for those that have experienced this pied piper´s madness, and a sad thing it is, leading people down a path of bullshit!
by ocean tech February 20, 2008 12:00 AM

To: ocean tech

I´m not trying to be critical but it honestly makes no sense for you to make the allegations you are making and then say that it is only for those who have already been duped and you will not provide any data or validation for those that may possibly be duped in the future. That is not sane rationale. Really give that some thought. If what you say is true it is like you are watching to see who else can lose money so you can take satisfaction that you are not the only one. Come on "be real" with yourself and those to who you are communicating - if what you say is the truth.
by objectiveview February 20, 2008 12:00 AM

object,

you are a real dumbass, aren´t you???

""what you say is true it is like you are watching to see who else can lose money so you can take satisfaction that you are not the only one""

1st of all - if you read "all" of my communications you wouldn´t have made that statement....you´re like some dumb son of a bitch stalling traffic looking at the accident on the other side. You don´t have a clue with what you´re dealing with, do you? just keep your head down, shut the hell up and let the powers that be take care of this fucking idiot!!

I´m not at liberty to say more than what I have, if you´re not intelligent enough to realize that there´s alot going on here, and I AM WARNING EVERYBODY that wants to entertain what this lying sack of shit (Bob) is trying to do, then go on with your snide stupid comments - dumbass!!!






by ocean tech February 20, 2008 12:00 AM

objectiveview,

my apologies.


"- my comments are made only for those that have experienced this pied piper´s madness,"




I stand corrected. It did appear "I was only talking to those ´experienced" . I didn´t mean that if you´d read all my thoughts on this subject matter. All I mean is that this guy, Bob, Robert, bloviator, etc...is "dangerous" and a "menace". The quicker he comes to a halt - the better.
by ocean tech February 20, 2008 12:00 AM

Hopefully it will continue to be more of an adult conversation from here on out. We really don´t need to insult ourselves and this site with immature rhetoric or we are sure to have this thread closed.

I would like to add that I have visited the local ´office´ that the Empire Logging rep is at. This ´office´ is where the customer is suppose to send the prepaid interest check to. I do understand that the check is made to Ticor, but by ncmnorth´s comments, it could still be a problem. Anyhow, the ´office´ turned out to be a mailbox. The mailbox was located in a legitimate business. The business did other things, but they also rented out mailboxes. It´s really the same thing as a P.O. Box. These mailboxes can be rented to anyone.

I could go on and on about how shady this seems, but I will let the intelligent readers (yourself) make the call.


by CBOofTN February 20, 2008 12:00 AM

I really hope this helps. I have been dealing directly with this company for about 40 days. They told me they will close a few of the deals we referred to them shortly. I can attest to a few things that are not true in the Ticor complaint which I have and know is not entirely true.

I personally have sent files to ELT/Ticor and verified through a contact there that they have closed loans with this investor. I referred plenty of business to them and AGAIN, we have not seem a closing yet but it has not been a full 60 days which was what we were told the time to close a file would be.

One of my clients did WIRE funds to TICOR using the wire instructions shown at the bottom of this post. I´ve been in the mortgage industry for over a decade so I have some old Ticor title report which include wire instructions. They are one and the same wire instructions. SO we can be assured that Ticor was at one time accepting wires for this company.

I spoke with KIM from Ticor in Washington. That is where all the files were sent into TICOR (Washington)

Kim M. Straling
Escrow Assistant
10210 123rd St. Ct. E. Ste. D
Puyallup, WA 98374
253-841-1799 PH
253-841-2136 FAX
kim.straling@ticortitle.com

I also spoke to HEATHER who is her senior there I think. HEATHER DAVIDSON is the point of contact Empire Logging had with Ticor. She can be reached at 253-841-1799 or this email address:

Heather.Davidson@TicorTitle.Com

I have personally read the complaint made by Ticor and I am 100% sure there are some lies stated on the paperwork because I PERSONALLY verified with Kim that they have closed deals with ELT.

In the complaint they allege that ELT has not closed any of the 150 files opened with Ticor. I cannot know the truth until we actually see a funding but I will be sure to post as soon as I see proof that they can fund deals.

I WILL SEND THE DOCUMENT THAT IS PUBLIC INFORMATION TO ANYONE THAT REQUESTS IT. MY EMAIL IS sobeswoop@hotmail.com

THE WIRE INSTRUCTIONS WE RECEIVED ARE AS FOLLOWS:

Ticor Title Company of Washington
10210 123rd St. Ct. E
Puyallup, WA 98374
253-841-1799

Key Bank
127 Public Square
Cleveland, OH 44114
ABA 125000574
ACCT. 479081032548

EMAIL ME IF YOU NEED ADDITIONAL INFO. I WILL PROVIDE ANYTHING I CAN UNTIL THIS SITUATION IS RESOLVED.



by JJ2000 February 20, 2008 12:00 AM

JJ2000

what happened to Elena Morgan ( I hoped I spelled that right ) ? what about the $50MM that has been deposited?
by ocean tech February 20, 2008 12:00 AM

OCEAN...

Help me out here. Who is she? I don´t know anything about Elana Morgan or 50MM. Can you elaborate? Do you have a number or any way we can verify this happened? Why were they able to stay in business this long if this is all fraudulent? I want to know so I can take my business elsewhere. If it is legit, I want to know that too. Email me...
by JJ2000 February 20, 2008 12:00 AM

Oceantech,

If you don´t mind me asking, how long have you been waiting for your loan to fund?
by PTL February 20, 2008 12:00 AM

Where is the proof of anything at this point? Not one person has emailed me with proof positive or negative. My email again is pleasesaveourhouse@gmail.com
by needhomesaved February 20, 2008 12:00 AM

I signed up Nov 29th and submitted by 1%, writing the check directly to ELT, as instructed. Unfortuantely, my contact (not sure if he was a broker or what his title was) was allegedly fired by Robert in January. I was supposed to close my loan the end of January. I talked directly to Robert 4+ weeks ago and he gave me Alaina Morgan´s contact info. I have been getting the "give us a few more days" line for a month now.

I called Alaina last Friday and we spoke for 15 minutes or so. I do know Alaina quit about a week ago and no longer works for Robert. She has also "invested" her 1% and is as anxious as us for this to be a ´legit´ deal. She provided me a copy of the lawsuit filing from Ticor, but I don´t buy it all. From the wording, it sounds as they are claiming not to have worked with ELT and that Robert "forced himself onto their company" (my words, not theirs) and that he hacked into their web-site. I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

I understand Robert was to testify that he was indeed able to fund these loans, but I have not been able to track down any information that he has testified or not. I called today and his VM was full, as indicated on a previous post.

I spoke on Friday of last week to the new ´rep´ I was assigned by Alaina before she quit, and he´s still saying the loan will fund. He has not told me anything about this lawsuit and I have not let on that I know. He said Ticor is no longer involved and they are needing to find a new title company and get a brokers´ license for the state of WA.

I would welcome any additional info someone may have on the current situation, and would like to know if you or someone you personally know has closed on a loan.

jcsportsmn@aol.com

It sounded "too good to be true" from the beginning, but I signed on because 2 close friends of mine have personally known the guy who introduced me to this for over 5 years. They ´vouched´ for him and so I tried it out. Now, they feel terrible for encouraging me! Oh well...there´s gotta be a lesson somewhere in all this.

I´d love to correspond with anyone who has first-hand knowledge of this.

by JCsportsmn February 21, 2008 12:00 AM

pieces come closer. My understanding is that Bob had a deal to buy interest into an airline company, blue sky or blue star, something like that. He was to put in $50MM into the acquisition to acquire 32% ownership. He was supposed to close loans before this acquisition and the way I understand it - he used those funds that were collected to leverage the $50MM for the purchase. Also my understanding is that Ticor was a pass through to a bank in China, I suspect it was HSBC. That is where he established an account in December. His Edward Jones acct. was shut down for his operation.
by ocean tech February 21, 2008 12:00 AM

Question for anyone who has been involved to the point of sending the 1% to Tico Title have you tried to withdraw your deposit and if so had you had any success? This thread is starting to read like a bad game of Telephone.
by wbg1 February 21, 2008 12:00 AM

Looks like I opened up a can of worms! Being from Buffalo New York I know how some people operate their and this is not a suprise. Robert E. Baschman has got a hit out on him. If i were him I would probably move out of town.
by yourmoneyguy@hotmail.com February 21, 2008 12:00 AM

More drama. This might be good information for a book or something. Does anyone have any information GOOD/BAD that can be verified? ANYONE? The hit post was pretty funny. Have we resorted to gang banging on the internet? That´s like an oxymoron isn´t it?

Seriously though... anyone?
by SwooPDaddY February 21, 2008 12:00 AM

Angel_Investor,


"I am just asking for proof so we can all move on to a legitimate lender."


angel, you need to move on to a "legitimate" lender.

jmho

(thread #69)
by ocean tech February 21, 2008 12:00 AM

To the person who said they actually talked to Robert, what did he say?
by mikoli007 February 21, 2008 12:00 AM

Why are people still holding on this guy as if they are going to fund a loan for you.

YOU GOT HUSTLED!!! I was the first on to post this and it was after I contacted the FBI. Does anyone really believe someone would lend money at 4% on a 30 yr fix on a 99% LTV in a declining real estate market? You should all be ashamed of yourself for even beliving in this!

Wouldnt it make more sense for someone to put their money in a NO RISK Money Market account at 5.5% before lending it to unqualified borrowers/property.

Word of advise........if it smells like shit, looks like shit! Its probably shit.

Its over! go get an attorney and wait in line for your money! Greed got you where you are and I dont feel sorry for any of you.
by yourmoneyguy@hotmail.com February 21, 2008 12:00 AM

by fcg2008 February 21, 2008 12:00 AM

" you can just call me Bob. I´m very well connected with Gov´t. Officials, captains of industry, and I´m part of the illuminati.....I "make" things happen, by the way did I tell you that I´m a currency trader, fully sanctioned by the fed´s.?? yeah, I´m all those things and more....by the way, while we´re putting your deal together - bring me some other people that can appreciate someone like me! - ok?"

oh yeah, when he´s in a bad mood: here´s his favorite line -

" I wanna reach through this phone and choke him/her!! "


by ocean tech February 21, 2008 12:00 AM

Is anyone able to place this type of debt (i.e. 4% int.,or similar) on institutional grade assets? I am seeking approx. $40MM in debt that is similar to EmpireLT´s arrangement.
-Thanks

by fcg2008 February 21, 2008 12:00 AM

Sorry for the confusion, I agree with the post about if it smells etc...I to almost got taken until I called the legal dept. at Ticor because to many things smelled fishy. My statement was for the person who said they actually talked to the guy. I was curios to what B.S he had to say.
by mikoli007 February 21, 2008 12:00 AM

by I KNOW THE TRUTH ON EMPIRE February 21, 2008 12:00 AM

www.eltllc.com-a.googlepages.com

(GO TO THIS SITE NOW!!)


FOR THE TRUTH GO TO THIS SITE!!! REGISTERED AND AUTHORIZED EMPIRE LOGGING AND TIMBER WEBSITE UPDATE.

ROBERT BASCHMANN JR. PRESIDENT AND CEO IS AN HONEST, TRUTHFUL AND CARING BUSINESS MAN WHO´S GOAL IS TO HELP THE AMERICAN PEOPLE! HIS INTENTIONS ARE PURE AND HE WILL HELP YOU GET OUT OF DEBT. THIS IS A PROMISE AND I DON´T EVEN WORK FOR THE MAN. I HAVE KNOWN HIM FOR 4+ YEARS AND HE ALWAYS ALWAYS DOES THE RIGHT, LEGAL THING AND ALL HIS BUSINESS DEALS ARE REAL AND EVERYONE IS SUCCESSFUL!!

HE WILL COME OUT ON TOP; STONGER AND BETTER THAN BEFORE. THIS PRIVATE LOAN PROGRAM IS SECOND TO NONE, EXTREMELY LEGIT, WITH LOTS OF SUPPORT FROM GOVT. ENTITITIES.

I HAVE BEEN FUNDED BY ELT PRESIDENT AND I AM HONORED TO KNOW HIM.

HE WILL FUND YOUR LOAN IF YOU STARTED THE PROCESS, JUST HANG IN FOR AN AUTHORIZED REP TO CONTACT YOU. DON´T GIVE UP THIS IS A SMALL SETBACK AND EVERYONE WILL BE BLESSED BEYONG MEASURE AFTER THIS INCREDIBLE COMPANY IS CLEARED OF ALL WRONG DOING. AND IT WON´T TAKE LONG BECAUSE NOTHING ILLEGAL WAS EVER DONE. LOANS HAVE CLOSED AND THIS PROGRAM IS EVEN STRONGER NOW. THIS SETBACK IS NOTHING BUT A BLESSING IN DISGUISE FOR ALL WHO ARE READING THIS NOW AND NEED A LEGITIMATE LOAN.

THIS IS A PRIVATE LOAN PROGRAM AND ALL LICENSING ISSUES AND MORTGAGE BROKER ISSUES ARE IN PLACE.

ROBERT BASCHMANN HAS AN INCREDIBLE LEGAL TEAM AND I AND THOUSANDS OF OTHERS STAND BEHIND HIM AND HIS COMPANY.

IN DUE TIME, EVERYONE WILL UNDERSTAND TO KNOW ROBERT BASCHMANN JR IS A PRIVILEDGE AND A BLESSING TO BE PART OF THIS PROGRAM IS A GOD-SEND.

HANG IN EVERYONE FOR GOOD TIMES AHEAD. I HAVE EVEN SPOKEN TO THE HEAD ATTORNEY FOR ELT AND THEY ARE VERY VERY CONFIDENT THIS PROBLEM WILL BE RESOLVED IMMINENTLY.

ELT IS CHANGING THE RULES AND PUTTING THE POWER OF MONEY BACK IN YOUR HANDS! GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!
by I KNOW THE TRUTH ON EMPIRE February 22, 2008 12:00 AM

To "I KNOW THE TRUTH ON EMPIRE,"

Please forward a legitimate contact for your program as soon as possible. I vehemently endorse your undertaking & seek to utilize this program for acquisition of >$40million asset. I sincerely NEED YOUR HELP with this. Proceeds from income of asset will support a charitable foundation.

Please forward any info to:
fatchoiglobal@gmail.com

THANK YOU FOR YOUR RECENT POSTING!
by fcg2008 February 22, 2008 12:00 AM

THIS THIS NOT MY PROGRAM AND I AM NOT AN AGENT OR BROKER FOR EMPIRE...........BUT I DO KNOW THE PRESIDENT AND CEO ROBERT BASCHMANN. HE WOULD BE GLAD TO HEAR FROM YOU AND HE WILL HELP YOU WITH YOUR LOAN REQUEST.

GIVE HIM A CALL HIS NUMBER IS 716-238-2613. HE´S REALLY BUSY WITH LOTS OF BUSINESS LOANS COMING IN DAILY, SO IF YOU DON´T REACH HIM LEAVE HIM A MESSAGE AND MENTION MY USER NAME "I KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT EMPIRE" AND HE WILL CALL YOU BACK.

ALTERNATIVELY LEAVE YOUR NAME AND NUMBER ON THIS POSTING AND I WILL PERSONALLY MAKE SURE YOU GET A CALL BACK FROM HIM.

ALL THE BEST! GLAD TO HEAR YOU ARE GOING TO SUPPORT A CHARITABLE FOUNDATION AS THAT IS WHAT EMPIRE STRIVES TO SUPPORT.
by I KNOW THE TRUTH ON EMPIRE February 22, 2008 12:00 AM

Wow, it sounds like we have some gamblers in here. Even when the odds are bad, you still roll the dice. Good luck.

If anyone would like to send me 1% of your mortgage, I will at least be honest with you and tell you that it will not help you out at all, but I will really appreciate the money.

by CBOofTN February 22, 2008 12:00 AM

I talked to someome at Ticor Title, and they told me that elt have funded a loan before the lawsuit came up.
by dou69 February 22, 2008 12:00 AM

"I know the truth"

your info just got sent to the FBI. I hope you can explain the truth to them.

Im on you S.O B`s and will have a party when your all in jail!!
by yourmoneyguy@hotmail.com February 22, 2008 12:00 AM

yourmoneyguy,
Do u have 100% proof that you can put up for us that none of this is going to work. I checked the FBI files and got nothing back on them. I was just wondering why would someone at ticor title say that a losn or two had been funed by elt. Please provide proof or something that can be researched to people know. Thanks.
by dou69 February 22, 2008 12:00 AM

yourmoneyguy,
Do u have 100% proof that you can put up for us that none of this is going to work. I checked the FBI files and got nothing back on them. I was just wondering why would someone at ticor title say that a loan or two had been funded by elt. Please provide proof or something that can be researched to let people know. Thanks.
by dou69 February 22, 2008 12:00 AM

you people that desperately want this to work:

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED


take it for what it´s worth. We that are in the know have told you enough to know that there is a problem here. If you choose to take your client/borrower to this group, ELT, let it rest on your conscience.

just because "a loan or two" have been completed, much more "damage" than "good" has been done.

enough said.


by ocean tech February 22, 2008 12:00 AM

by lg123 February 22, 2008 12:00 AM

ocean tech,
Where can we find the info that u are telling us about? I would like to look up what you are saying so that it can be put out in the open, so people know where they can read it for themselves. All of this about the airlines info, and Edward Jones account.
by dou69 February 22, 2008 12:00 AM

Hey "I Know the truth" is Bob going to take all of his followers to his ranch in panama. Are you all going to wear robes and celebrate the greatness that is Bob. Do us all a favor and be the first in line to drink the kool aid you dumb SOB.
by loan4uWA February 22, 2008 12:00 AM

Unfortunately the people that are holding on are the people like myself that put forth the 1% to try to save my home. I can only speak for myself, but this had nothing to do with greed or selfish ambitions just trying to save my home.

I´ve contacted the FBI and haven´t received any infromation so if some has contact or a way to obtain information through the FBI let us know or let me know.

To : Ocean Tech

If you are one of the people in the "know" as you have stated why wouldn´t you give us verifible information so we can like you have stated be in the "know".

You don´t have to respond to me just something to think about. I´ve seen you have spoken to other people on the site and it hasn´t been appropiate
by lg123 February 22, 2008 12:00 AM

Good morning all, I´m not for one side or the other. The program sounds fishy to me but I will at least wait and see. What do i have to lose be waiting , nothing. But it is interesting that the critics who are in the "know" have no basis either, you sound full of it also. Added to that fact is the way these critics respond with insults etc...leads me to believe there piss poor brokers with very bad etiquitte. If these critics who are in the "know" have any info great, what your company name so we can check you out or do you live with your mom and work out of the basement because you only play lender. Do the math apples to apples, IF all is true and they have acually funded two loans which still has yet to be proven factual and they have received 150 apps at 1% they are not exactly coming out on top. Am I wrong, could be but I´ll wait and see. Honestly, If I had millions I would have no problem doing this same scenerio but mabe thats what scam artist pray on. Thanks
by mikoli007 February 22, 2008 12:00 AM

by oscar07 February 22, 2008 12:00 AM

I find it interesting to look at who started this thread, which was yourmoneyguy. This person made it look like he did not know much about it but wanted comments. Then oceantech posts right away the same day, starting their negative campaign. And now yourmoneyguy seems to be one of the ones that are "in the know" and "knows" everyone has been "hustled" and is doing their duty by going to th FBI. And oceantech´s obnoxious ways seem to have rubbed off on yourmoneyguy. Wouldn´t be surprised if they were one and the same. Go get a life! (and make sure to report me to the FBI too, because I am sure I have done something illegal!)
by PTL February 22, 2008 12:00 AM

Does anyone know of any other threads out there. Thanks, oh yeah report me to.
by mikoli007 February 22, 2008 12:00 AM

WOW!
by dead eye February 22, 2008 12:00 AM

To: Ocean Tech

It wouldn´t suprise me if you were the disgruntled person that Bob fired back in January. What was it that you were doing to get fired?

As I understand it now, ELT has been working with the Department of Financial Institutions to get a clear answer on whether any licensing is required, but ELT has decided to go ahead and has applied for Washington State DFI approval. ELT is being reviewed by DFI and that they have not said that ELT cannot do what they are doing, they just don´t know yet how to regulate what they do and what discolures are necessary.

The complaint by Ticor Title specifically states that "Ticor Titel is currently holding any new deposits and has not closed any new transactions in the last few days. The company has told Empire Logging that it will not close any more transactions until Empire Logging can adequately demonstrate that it is licensed to be in the lending business in the State of Washington".

This leads me to believe that they have in fact closed some loans in the past for ELT and would consider closing more once ELT and their reps become licensed.

I can surely see where a lot of people banks, mortgage brokers would have a problem with this type of program. It would be very hard for them to compete.

by oscar07 February 22, 2008 12:00 AM

Good job oscar07.
by mikoli007 February 22, 2008 12:00 AM

Why is it that "yourmoneyguy" knows so much about the program and at first he did not know anyone in the elt company? If he knows so much why want he put out where the information can be found. He and ocean tech know a lot but will not tell anyone where they found their information at. I just one of many that want to know. If he is "yourmoneyguy" how can people find him so that he can fund loan of some type?
by dou69 February 22, 2008 12:00 AM

by Griffin Creek February 22, 2008 12:00 AM

To:
I KNOW THE TRUTH ON EMPIRE,

Please email me at fatchoiglobal@gmail.com
so that we may communicate away from this thread.
THANK YOU.

~fcg2008
(a response to previous comment)

I KNOW THE TRUTH ON EMPIRE.
I KNOW THE TRUTH ON EMPIRE.




by fcg2008 February 22, 2008 12:00 AM

Seems like a certain individual has not complied to the rules of this Grapevine by using offensive language. People that resort to name calling, prove to show they have small minds. Personally I would not believe a word he says. Also I would be careful if I was him as he could be hit with a law suit.

As most of you know and if you don´t know, this is a fairly new loan that has been offered to us as many home owners have been hurt because of traditional loans. The US is number 1 in all of the free world in foreclosures and bankruptcies. And we are suppose to trust those loans? This is a fair loan and is more like what they offer in Australia. Wish our Banks would not be so greedy.

Yes, There is not much information yet about these loans because it is so new but there will be. Also There are many people that have already been funded. I am new and will be funded shortly. I have all the docs.

Empire is a private lender and can work without conventional mortgage brokers as the loans they make have no deductions for origination fees, closing costs or even brokers fees. Those are entirely absorbed by Empire.

I choose to be discreet here, but this has been misrepresented. I have heard of a saying: What ever a person is not up on, their down on. How true that is. It is a shame that so many people have to look for the bad, because they just can not believe that someone would offer people a fair loan. No, It just has to be a scam or something.

It is understandable in a way, because there are many scams out there. To those people that don´t believe, what is wrong with wait and see? No, they have to jump to false conclusions that it just has to be bad because it doesn´t fit the norm.

Let me ask you this, Has anyone been hurt yet? I have not heard of anyone. OK it is unconventional, so what. I myself am thrilled to get a 4% simple interest loan and before it even gets to that, my first year payments all go towards the principle. Yippeee!!!! So for the first 2 years it is designed to help people to get on their feet. This is helping a friend of mine who is in foreclosure and now does not have to leave her home. I am so happy for her.

As far as having to wait for the new docs, I have this to say: Empire is working with the FDI and is being fully co-operative with them. Also, The complaint that you have read about and motion were based upon what they believe is a variety of misinformation, supposition and hearsay evidence, and will be resolved in their favor no doubt.
I received the update like many others. So it takes time to get all new docs to be drawn up by the attorneys, that is why we are waiting. Jeese!! We sure have a micro wave mentality here. I want it now!!!!. People this is good very good. Just be patient.

Empire is a company that is built upon the premise of doing good works and in that effort is bringing this lending program to the public. Because it is out of the “norm” it has and probably will continue to receive criticism by skeptics.

Here is another good one: Ticor Title failed to factor in that they, themselves, had already closed loans and had dozens of others ready to close. If you do the math, knowing that loans have closed, the “scam” theory crumbles: If Empire collected two 1% deposits and then turned around and paid out two loans – that is like giving someone a dollar for every penny they put up! Hardly a brilliant criminal scheme.

In closing, I called to find out about my loan and this is for all of you wondering about your loan too, ok. We are all on schedule. So I will post again when mine closes.
by fairloan February 22, 2008 12:00 AM

by mcklynda February 22, 2008 12:00 AM

It looks as though Robert Baschmann has a history of opening companies up that have misleading names: Empire Timber and Logging (business-real estte loans), Keystone Engineering (jewelry buying)...

EMPIRE
http://search.buffalo.bbb.org/codbrep.html?ID=140604824
KEYSTONE
http://search.buffalo.bbb.org/codbrep.html?ID=17002263
by mcklynda February 22, 2008 12:00 AM

Fairloan types as if they were Nigerian. NOT that there is anything wrong with that...

Jus´ that the emails carry a faint scent of the above lingo.

:P
by Kenny The Rooster February 22, 2008 12:00 AM

looks like something that yahoo was spaming all the scenarios a while back..

This is a scam!
by dead eye February 22, 2008 12:00 AM

Here are some of those low australian rates

http://www.yourmortgage.com.au/compare-home-loans/default.aspx
by dead eye February 22, 2008 12:00 AM

What happened to ocean tech and "yourmoneyguy" with info that we could research to find out what they know? It seems as if something is up with those two that they can´t provide us with the info. Two good ones together. They know it all, but can´t prove it in any way.
by dou69 February 22, 2008 12:00 AM

fairloan: "This is a fair loan and is more like what they offer in Australia."

I´m glad I´m not looking for a refi in Australia - that link and any other rate chack in Australia blows your whole premise and makes you look suspect as a Bauchmann broker.

How have only two loans closed? If I was a scammer I would let a few close to make it smell better. Just see how many are still believing based on those two.

Mcklynda - thanks for those BBB pages - they have great advice for those interested in getting a deal. Do NOT be tempted to put the money up front! If the deal is real, do they really need your 1%?

Has anyone had it spelled out to them on paper in a business case how ETL uses these loans (buying loans from banks) to generate government backed futures on timber? This is what was presented to me, but I have yet to see the details on how that would ever work.
by wwr February 22, 2008 12:00 AM

wwr,

winner!winner!winner!
by ocean tech February 22, 2008 12:00 AM

ding!ding!ding!


Interesting how the shill addresses everything mirror´ing "bob-speak"

cool-aid time!

Bob, how many "times" are you going to continually stall, with procedures and process, etc....??? since September anyways, huh? still collecting 1 percenter´s??? TO THIS DAY!! HUH?

For all of you sitting there with 1% on the table - consider it gone!!

yeah fairloan, let us know when you hit it!
by ocean tech February 22, 2008 12:00 AM

bet ya wanna´ reach through the internet and choke me!!!

huh? LOL! LOL!
by ocean tech February 22, 2008 12:00 AM

also wwr,

we even tried to do a commodity deal with his timber....guess what?

yeah, I´m sure you guessed it

he couldn´t produce the board ft. for the deal

that´s a fact.

How can he use this as "value" if he can´t leverage it on a trade? what is the "collateral" really worth?



by ocean tech February 22, 2008 12:00 AM

For all of you who have put up the 1%, I pray that Robert comes through with your loan. I received an approval along with a promissory note and it was the promissory note besides the half a-- information on how they can actually provide this type of loan is what caught my attention.

If you read the promissory note, you, the person putting up the 1% is noted as the lender while Robert Baschmann is the borrower. If you really think you might take the chance to put up the 1% for your loan that he says he will fund within 60 days, then treat him like the borrower he is and ask to see proof of assets or collateral as any lender would. Chances are, he´ll tell you to go to hell and say there´s other people who need this type of loan but remember, that´s just a way to con you into thinking it´s real.

By the way, when you fill out the application, you state personal information along with your social security number so for all of you who have applied with him, watch your credit report and hope that he is not using your identity.

I did a background check on a Robert Baschmann Jr. and didn´t find anything but is he really Robert Baschmann Jr. He´s using the Bank of China to deposit all the 1% he´s received. Hmm.. I wonder??

by Ms. Taken February 23, 2008 12:00 AM

I know that my uncle was able to cancel his check. So some of the checks have not been cashed. I also spoke with a representative from Ticor and they said sonce the check are written to Ticor only Ticor can cash them. If your worried cancel your checks. You´ll have to reissue a new one if the deal goes through.

Waiitingtosee
by waitingtosee February 23, 2008 12:00 AM

What an odd thread. Any of you boys bother using Zillow or similar on his "office" address? Apprently 2 bed 1 bath house in BFE built in 1945. Zillow estimate? $114,000.

What´s next? That´s not "really" his office, he just "uses" it for reasons us mere mortals could never understand? Uh huh.

I bet he showed those Chinese bankers a good ole time!

All kidding aside it appears those of you waiting on loans got duped. I´ve seen nothing verifiable here. I can find more circumstantial info if you want. Kind of perimeter stuff but at least it can be verified.

Just let me know. In the meantime you better figure out what you´re going to do for your clients. You should probably also see if you´ve violated and of your various State banking laws.

Just my 2 cents.
by HorseCreeker February 23, 2008 12:00 AM

Hello. I am glad that I found this website. I am waiting for a decision on my application. I was confused about the time that has passed but now I know why. I am a patient person. I appreciate reading all the comments. I have a lock on my social security information and I was confident in completing and sending my application. I have made contact with other lenders also, as a back up. I hope that Empire can stand behind their claims. I believe in giving any new company a chance. I am a small business owner and I have wonderful clients that took a chance on me.

In this economy I think we need change and hope. Who knows? Maybe this new way will be beneficial for people. If it isn´t then I will pick myself up, dust my shoulders off, and move on. Thank you for the informative postings.


by LaShondra February 23, 2008 12:00 AM

I agree with you LaShondra. I am hoping that Empire will be able to do all that they say. It´s wonderful that someone is willing to step up and offer something like this to take the burden off many people.

I am just a home owner. I mentioned the Australia thing because I have been told that they don´t pay as much interest and are able to pay their loans off quicker than here in the US. Really don´t know much more than that nor am I a financial expert.

Loans here in the US pile all the interest at the top and as you know many people are hurting and have been foreclosed on and have become bankrupt. If I had tons of money I would try to help lift the burden for people in some way too.

Many have lost everything and can not qualify for a conventional loan. Could it be that our banks have become legalized thieves, and we have been duped into accepting their terms? Oh but we are use to being ripped off because everyone else does it that way. Jeeze!!!

Do know that it´s worth waiting for and am very excited to have found this loan. Can hardly wait for mine to go through. As far as my friend, Angel_Investor, I don´t need to prove anything to you, I don´t need to give anyone her details. If she wants to post, she will. I suggest you go get another loan somewhere else if this sounds too unbelievable. I also know that if those that don´t want to go ahead can request their money back or do like the other gentleman and put a stop payment on the check. Have not heard that anyone has been hurt at all.

Have heard that new documents are being drawn up and that takes time. So what is the harm in just waiting? Or is it just you don´t have anything else better to do but to bash someone that is trying to do a good thing.

No one is being duped. The proof is in the pudding. When loans close and existing loans are satisfied that will be proof. I am hoping to hear something next week. My date to close was going to be at the end of March but it could be sooner. Hope so.


by fairloan February 24, 2008 12:00 AM

Ms_Taken you stated: "He´s using the Bank of China to deposit all the 1% he´s received. Hmm"

He received? The 1% checks were not written nor sent to him. They were written and sent to the Title Company. He is not the title company. Let´s keep stirring the pot shall we.

Besides, Like waitingtosee said: the uncle was able to put a stop payment on the check. I was told also that people will be able to ask for the 1% back as it was a loan. If they were not funded, they will get it back.
by fairloan February 24, 2008 12:00 AM

and why is it that people have been waiting since September?

you let us know fairloan (bob)when this works, ok?
by ocean tech February 24, 2008 12:00 AM

ocean tech(yourmoneyguy),
Is your life so event-less that you have nothing better to do than keep yourself glued to this thread and spew your venom? Just what to you want to accomplish? You have made known how you feel about this whole thing, now give it a rest. What is your agenda? You are so transparent. I do not believe for a minute that you are an individual who applied for a loan. No, you are taking safisfaction in this episode and your effort to warn others is far from sincere. I would be willing to bet you are either a broker, or better yet one of the individuals listed on Bob´s list. If you want to be taken seriously, then produce something. Anyone can get on here and say whatever they want but it does not make anything fact until you can produce something to back up your claims!
by PTL February 24, 2008 12:00 AM

PTL,

oh believe me I´ve got more going on in my life than waiting on Bob! My only reason to post on this thread is to WARN all those that have and are entertaining this program. Be very careful. I suggest you all wait and see. I agree, if it "works" - what a great product! I´ve been introduced to this program going on 7 months now. My "instrument of value" was tied up and misused and eventually lost, due to Bob and his promises. That´s a fact.

I´ve known Bob since September, he has not performed, and if he does = he owes me a lot of money! So why wouldn´t I want him to be successful? what´s up with his: "I´ll get this closed 45 - 60 days"??? I think some of us are waaayyy overdue. As far as "fairloan", he claims to be "new" and has a "friend" saved from foreclosure - I´d like to see the validation to that! And he thinks he´s going to "close soon". How about all the hundreds of people that marched this well before him??? Does any of his rhetoric make any sense to you? Always a stall involving procedures and project changes and new documents and........

My concern: he has not performed since September, even if he´s closed "a loan or two", that doesn´t mean anything. A scammer will always give you a bone or two.

He´s a "liar" and a downright "bad" guy. Just my opinion from my experiences with him and his program. He will stop communicating with you once you figure out his scam. He can´t explain himself and why things didn´t go the way he forecasts. This is a big "red flag".

I don´t have to give "specific" examples. I believe there´s enough people that have expressed their concerns to show that I´m not the only one that has been led down the path.....

I don´t know who "yourmoneyguy" is but I suspect he knows Bob as well as I!



by ocean tech February 24, 2008 12:00 AM

Loans here in the US pile all the interest at the top and as you know many people are hurting and have been foreclosed on and have become bankrupt. If I had tons of money I would try to help lift the burden for people in some way too.

You are an idiot, of course the interest iS higher at the top. YOU OWE MORE!

THIS IS A SCAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by dead eye February 24, 2008 12:00 AM

Thank you I KNOW THE TRUTH ON EMPIRE. Those of you that think it is a scam, I guess you are just going to have to wait and see now won´t you. Your opinions, threats, name calling and bashing will not make a hill of beans to anyone very soon. I support Baushman. and by the way oceantech, I am a female.

And you negative people crack me up. Even if the worst think happens that I don´t get my loan, I will receive my money back and move on. But I do know my loan is going to go through so I am not worried about it. I am an adult and don´t need you guys to warn me. You said your peace so why don´t you move on.

I am not moved by your silly name calling either. Most people know it shows how childish and immature that is and the person lacks communication skills. An oh oceantech from the way you communicate, you were probably thrown out. I sure wouldn´t want to work with someone like you either. He doesn´t have to give you a loan ya know.

Oh for those of you that are reading this thread and don´t want to read all of it. I would look for the post from I KNOW THE TRUTH ON EMPIRE. I don´t know baushman personally, I hope some day I will. Just stay tuned. Your gonna love it.
by fairloan February 24, 2008 12:00 AM

I spoke to the title company myself and as the checks are deposited to title, title is instructed by Robert to have the funds transferred to his Bank of China account. SO if you want to get your refund, call Ticor title and see if they have the funds still in escrow. If they do, great! If they don´t...consider it gone forever!
by Ms. Taken February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

FYI...If any of you reading this is in foreclosure because your interest rate adjusted, see your loan officer about an FHA Secure loan that will bail you out of foreclosure.

Your rate had to have already adjusted before you were late on your mortgage. There´s no CLTV limit but the catch is, is there a 2nd mortgage lender that will go over 100%. If you are late because of your interest rate adjusted, at least there´s one program that will help you and give you a decent 30 year fixed rate.

Yes, I am a broker and I´m always looking for new loan programs to help my customers and until Robert comes through, I wouldn´t give any of my clients false hopes!
by Ms. Taken February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Ocean Tech

What do you think about the fact that you can still cancel the checks and that the check are written out to Ticor Title. How can people lose the money. Is there someting about check cashing that I don´t see or know? I´m not being sarcastic I really want your opinion.
by waitingtosee February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Angel Investor

Have you check to see if your check has been cashed. Put a hold on the check or cancel it.
by waitingtosee February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

waiting,

I can´t answer that one for you. I/we did not come into the program with 1% or clients/borrower´s needing to place this. We were actually at the inception of the program and was bringing "instruments of value" to pledge for the program. We were part of programs "value" which was to be used such as his claimed "timber" contracts
by ocean tech February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

fairloan


When did you start the loan process.



by waitingtosee February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Hehe,
Lets look at reality here!
We live in a world of Mysticism were some of us believe we all need to look to a higher power for direction (government, religion or law enforsement). Some even try to force these beliefs onto others.
The fact is, I´ve entered into this venture with both eye´s open, all the facts in front of me and I will recieve my loan because I believe this is the very thing that will save our great Country! I don´t need someone watching over me, someone to protect me from what they want to believe is a SCAM! Lets stop looking for answers in Mysticism. USE YOUR BRAINS. Is it possible that a private company can help in this way? YES! Do we deserve to have access to these kind of loans? YES! This is America, anything is possible!
Is´nt it time we start taking care of our own? YES!
Let Elt show you what humanity is all about!!!
Lets STOP being sceptical about every program that comes our way and use our Minds and decide to change things. We don´t need Goverment for that! FBI is For Blind Idiots!
We live in a semi-free society, were everyone has the basic choice of acting on his or her independent judgment versus acting on the basis of what other people think, do or say! You decide for yourself, but trying to sway others to your way of thinking, thats wrong in my opinion!
Lets start, here and now, lets come together with the facts and tools we all need to change our lives for the better. Lets help ourselves.
I Nominate Robert Baschmann for President!!
by A Conscious Mind February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

This is agreat thread. It seems to me like about 3-4 people are carrying it on with multiple screen names. None the less very entertaining.


by proudpapaof2 February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Hello everyone,
Got great news. People can now sign up for the loans on line. Get with your Authorized Rep and ask for it if you have not already received it. I don´t need it as I am in process. Waitingtosee: I started my process Jan. 31st. My loan is to close March 31st or sooner.

By the way, when you put in who referred you, it must be an Authorized Rep whose name needs to go there, if not The office will ask you Who your rep is anyway. It can not just be your friends name. They are not working with the office.

As far as getting more info, calling your authorized agent or Rep is the best place. Once you fill out the application on line, the office will be in touch with you. You are not committed to anything by filling out this application. You have not sent any money. The 1% still holds but your money will be going into an attorney´s escrow account for safe keeping should you decide to go forward with this this fantastic loan. I called to find out about my loan and that was the information I got.

Again, I agree with "I KNOW THE TRUTH ON EMPIRE". in the post on the 22nd. I am behind Baushmann too and know my loan will go through soon.

Thank you "A Conscious Mind" We are able to use our own judgments here and some will, some won´t and some will wait and see. Frankly these loans began to be offered to people in November. I asked the office because it was stated above that it was September and so if you consider the time frame and it takes 65 to 70 days to close, they have been pretty much on target.

I remember hearing that there were several closing shortly after I sent in my 1%. It was not just 2. Though there is a delay now, because they are making sure that all legal paperwork is complete with their attorneys and authorities. People will be more comfortable with these loans in the near future. When it is done there should be no reason why anyone would not one of these loans.

If you are worried about the way these loans are structured and think that there is something wrong with people having to put up 1%, you got to remember this is not the same kind of loan or mortgage any of us have ever had before. It is a simple interest loan with a different structure not a conventional mortgage. People can even ask for more on top to get rid of their high interest credit cards, car payments and even have some to do remodeling or what have you. I am doing that too.

I also have another friend who lives close to me that has never bought a home. She has raised her three children as a renter all her life. She is so excited because she has the opportunity to purchase her first home even though she does not have great credit. Her payments at 4% will be less than she is paying now for rent and high interest rate credit cards.


by fairloan February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Another first time poster. This is like the gift that keeps on giving....ROTFLMAO.


by proudpapaof2 February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

What´s this all about? Is this ELT like Remington or Kennedy or something like that? At least those guys have been screwing people for a "long" time!!! I guess ELT is just a wannabe!
by deja vu February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

What web site? Why the money up front and not at close when it funds like a normal loan? People would feel way more comfortable depositing with an escrow company then some lawyer noone has heard of. I´m still interested in this program but these few items make know sense. Everything should be done at closing and funding!
by mikoli007 February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

WAITINGTOSEE:

When you send the check to Ticor Title, Ticor deposits into ELT´s escrow account. Ticor is instructed by ELT to deposit these funds into their Bank of China account so if you waited too long, chances are, you cannot cancel the check! I spoke to one of the escrow officers that handles ELT´s transactions and she told me specifically what they do with the funds. If ELT tells Ticor to transfer the funds to their Bank of China account then Ticor does what ELT requests. The checks (1%) are deposited into Ticor´s bank account and therefore the checks have to clear. The bank is not going to just hold uncashed checks in some kind box. Call any title company including Ticor and they will tell you that the check is deposited into escrow´s bank account and ELT can do whatever they request with the funds.
Depending on your bank, checks clear within 3 to 10 business days.
by Ms. Taken February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Nothing normal here mikoli007! I think if you don´t feel comfortable then you should´nt get involved then! Leaves more for the rest of us :-)

deja vu, my point exactly, we´ve all been screwed so many times, we don´t recognize a GOOD thing when we see it!
Forget the NORM, this is real!

"LIGHTIN UP PEOPLE"

by A Conscious Mind February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Wait, I´m confused? Why are people putting money into an escrow that is being "instructed" to forward it to another account somewhere else? Is this fully disclosed - when people make their initial deposits? Is everybody aware of this and good with the process? If it´s clear and understood then that is just part of its process, otherwise - "you´ve got some ´splainin´ to do Lucy!!!"
by deja vu February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Thanks for the info. fairloan.

by A Conscious Mind February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Conscious

Have you done business eith ELT or closed a loan with them?? Just curious. Do you have any material on how this 4% rate works?

As far as the 1% up front fee, there is now way I would instruct a client to do that. That is just me though.


by proudpapaof2 February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Yes deja vu, I was aware of that before I sent in my Ap and its OK by me!

by A Conscious Mind February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

proud,
I was affiliated with some of ELTs Rep´s before the loan program started.
My loan has not closed as of yet, but if you are involved in this loan process, have patients, that info. will come to you via email.
All is well, just be patient....:-)
by A Conscious Mind February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Conscious, if you have read any of my previos post you will see I have no problem with new programs or systems. Plus I have defended this program some what. But to blindly except what is offered without question is not very prudent. I just have a few simple question that I would like answered if possible. Such as why 1% up front and not at close? I was informed about TICOR transferring the funds as well so it was disclosed but I would still like to know why and maybe thats what TICOR wants as well. Also what website are you talking about to fill out the app? Thanks
by mikoli007 February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

So why is there a lawsuit against Robert and Empire Logging and the plaintiff is Ticor Title?? The same title company you are making the checks out to now??


by proudpapaof2 February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Empire is not using Ticor any longer. The 1% will be deposited into Empire´s closing Law Firm´s non-depleating account now. I just talked to someone that asked for their money back and is getting it. This is because of Ticor. They made a mess of things. Everything is going to be even better and stronger once the attorneys are finished.

From talking to the office, No one has been hurt. Those of you that are ready to fund will fund. Those of you that want to wait for more information can. Those of you that want their money back can. Those of you that want to fill out the new application can. Every thing looks good to me and I am going forward.

Before jumping to conclusions and you are scared leave a message or email the office. Or just go get another loan that you are comfortable with.

People really, this is a really fair loan. That is why I chose that name because I finally have a loan that will help me reduce my payments monthly to where we can breath.

I am excited that my first year all of my low payments will be applied to my principle. It will jump up to 2% loan on my 2nd year. Half to interest and half to principle. So I am building equity very fast those first 2 years. Then my 3rd year it will jump up to the 4% loan and that is the most I will ever have to pay because the payment will depend on the remaining balance. There is no prepayment penalties either. Also my payment will be lowered every year. It never remains the same like we all have right now and paying interest on top hardly paying down your principle. This is a very fair loan. It is also assumable and transferable. I can hardly wait.

Worst that can happen is that I will get my 1% back and I am stuck with my horrid higher interest mortgage like I have right now with high monthly payments.

Not everyone will do this because they won´t believe it, but some of us will and we are going to be very happy. Like I said, I will post when mine goes through.


by fairloan February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Again I ask the question. Where is the material on this type of loan?? I can find no website or anything. Does anyone who has posted on here have any information about the loan?? To me you would have to have something if loans have been submitted.


by proudpapaof2 February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

mikoli007,
forgive me being so bold, it´s my understanding that the 1% is to get the ball rolling. We´re talking about a group of savey business people here. This is an opportunity for little guy to take advantage of their experience and expertice! It´s really easy to understand, at least for me, that they would ask for a little good faith money after your approved for the loan.

by A Conscious Mind February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Thanks fairloan, but the guy who took my app has not called me back. I cant check on it at all. I did receive an email a long time ago to wait but nothing since. Do you have any answers to my previous questions. I dont mind a new app but don´t know where to fill it out. Thanks
by mikoli007 February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Proud, How did you here about this program? If I may ask!
by A Conscious Mind February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

FAIRLOAN = MIKE FROM ELT...


by JJ2000 February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Here is some info off the Court PACER site:

ORDER: In light of the circumstances described by plaintiff´s counsel of efforts having been made to effect personal service on defendant Robert E. Baschmann, all of which indicate his awareness of pendency of this suit, but his unwillingness to facilitate or enable personal service, the Court extends the existing restraints upon th defendants Empire Logging and Timber, LLC and Robert E. Baschmann, Jr. as set forth in the order to show cause of 2/11/08. As a consequence of those restraints, Empire Logging, Baschmann, their representatives, agents, employees, and all persons acting in concert or in participation with them who receive actual notice of this order, by personal service or otherwise, must: one, cease and desist from withdrawing, transferring, or disposing of any funds first deposited by loan application into Ticor Title´s escrow accounts in connection with defendant´s Bank of China account Number herein. And two, cease and desist from making any representation to the public that the defendants are associated with, or related to Ticor Title, whether in promotional materials or by unauthorized use of the website www.washingtontitle.com, or otherwise, in connection with defendant´s so-called, "private lending source programs." Such restraints in force until this Court enters an order declaring that the restraints are no longer in force. (Signed by Judge Leonard B. Sand on 2/14/08) (tro) (Entered: 02/14/2008)
by bearfkr February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

From this thread


by proudpapaof2 February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Ive been avoidiung this thread after a preliminary inspection. I saw the company has one big suit which may or may not mean anything.

Dont feel like reading 150 posts so help me out. What the hell is this thread about after all this time?
by JustplainMarvin February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

It is my understanding that you have to be invited by a friend or business associate to get this program.
You will not here about it from any Advertisement on the web. This might have changed if its comming from an Authorized Representative.
by A Conscious Mind February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Jpm´
A Humanitarian loan program comming from a Private Lender that sounds too good to be true. So, naturally people are sceptical and trying to find the truth.
Botten line, if you were not approched by an Authorized Rep. you will not get all the info. you want!
by A Conscious Mind February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

NOw my thiunking is if this is such a wonderful product, why not offer it to everyone??


by proudpapaof2 February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Give it time proud, that might happen!
Perhaps an authorized Representative could answer that, are any here?
by A Conscious Mind February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Let me see if I can give you the short summary Marv.

Empire Logging offers a 4% rate on a mortgage loan. To qualify for the loan you have to put a 1% upfront fee that first went to Ticor Title who then deposited the check into a Chinese Bank Account. That all started around September. Now several people are waiting for the funding and they are being told because of legal paerwork everything is on hold by this Robert Bauschman guy. Ticor Title then filed a lawsuit against Empire and Mr. Bauschman in 2/2008. Now all 1% upfront fees go to Empire´s closing attorney´s account.

Now what I am trying to find out is information about the program. All I am hearing is that you have to be "invited" to qualify for this loan.

I think that is it in a nutshell.


by proudpapaof2 February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

I was approached from an "Authorized Rep" I have all the paper work, emails etc...and still dont have all the info, or better yet credible answers to simple questions. What is the last info from ELT does anyone have, time and date please.
by mikoli007 February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Just one, and I´m not talking.

by TennesseeTuxedo February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

mikoli007,
What was the last thing you were told by email? If I may ask!
by A Conscious Mind February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

proud,
I might ad that the 1% is not up front, you pay that only after you have been approved and recieve a Promisary Note for that amount!
by A Conscious Mind February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

One what TT?

Worst that can happen is that I will get my 1% back and I am stuck with my horrid higher interest mortgage like I have right now with high monthly payments.

Nope, you will not get your 1% back!

This is bigger than that Al Gore thingy!
by dead eye February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Also MArvin. There is no listing with Empire logging with the BBB and SOS website. A lot of people are saying this Bauschman guy has scammed before with other businesses but have not provided proof other than the lawsuit filed by Ticor.


by proudpapaof2 February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

It is still 1% up front Conscious. I cannot think of another lender that asks for that upon loan approval no matter "how wonderful" the loan product.

Lenders were offering 1% option ARMS but none ever required 1% fee upfront after the loan approval.


by proudpapaof2 February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

If your looking for a SCAM, go talk to your friendly banker.
Their scamming you every day and "Him Doant evin noit"
by A Conscious Mind February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Ticor has filed suit for Racketeer/Corrupt Organization:

Ticor Title Insurance Co. v. Empire Logging and Timber, LLC et al
Assigned to: Judge Leonard B. Sand
Cause: 18:1962 Racketeering (RICO) Act
Date Filed: 02/11/2008
Jury Demand: None
Nature of Suit: 470 Racketeer/Corrupt Organization
Jurisdiction: Federal Question

Hard to trust anyone who is accused of Racketeering..... Just my 2 cents.
by bearfkr February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

JJ2000 a lot you know, I am not Mike, I don´t know half of what Mike knows. I am a homeowner like everyone else. I just ask questions and got answers. Mike is suppose to close sooner than me as he has been in longer than me
by fairloan February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

proud,
Do you want to get involved in this Loan Program or are you here for another reason?
This private lender wants 1% before thay will process the loan, it is that simple. Just because you don´t like that does´nt make it a SCAM!!!!
by A Conscious Mind February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

@dead eye, just cuttin´ up bro.


by TennesseeTuxedo February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

At no point and time Conscious did I say it was a scam. All I asked for was information on how the loan worked and no one can provide anything otehr than "an authorized rep" has to invite me.

I also said that no lender asks for upfront fees. You cannot find scam in anything I have asked about. I only said that people in this thread are accusing Bauschman of scamming but have not proven anything.


by proudpapaof2 February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

tt

That´s what I thought

ps: I got a bridge for sale!
by dead eye February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

OH NONONO NO people! Ive seen this freakin scam for over 25 years. Good God. Cant believe the title company got twisted up in it. Last a-hole that tried this on some rich clients of mine in Oakland CA actually left his office full of furniture and fled the state after we got through scaring the crap out of him. You can see this stupid stuff in ads in magazines.
by JustplainMarvin February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Bingo Marvin,,


by dead eye February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Conscious, last thing I heard. Prepay 1% Update


Dear Client,


Due to the overwhelming success and demand for our humanitarian loans we are currently
in the process of updating our prepayment instructions and transitioning to a more suitable
title company that is structured to expedite our loans.


We are still accepting all new applications; however processing will be delayed a few days.
Please reframe from sending the 1% prepayment of interest until further notice which will
take place in a few days.


We will be sending new instructions for the 1% prepayment of interest and
anticipate this transition to be seamless and all closings to stay on schedule.


Thank you for your cooperation,


Michael Diamond Ltd.
Authorized Representative
by mikoli007 February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Yes proud,
again, forgive me for being so bold, however everyone watching see´s your reactions as being on the side of the sceptics.
If you want more info. I´m sure if you leave a way to contact you, perhaps an email address, an authorized Rep. will cantact you.
Again, forgive me, I´m directing my "SCAM" comments to those who are here to derail this, or think they can derail this.
Sincerely.....ACM
by A Conscious Mind February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Okay, now that it´s getting serious, I want in.

by TennesseeTuxedo February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Mikoli007
When was that?
by A Conscious Mind February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

"derail".....LOL!

more like:

crazy train! HAHAHAHAAAA!

rock on Ozzie! (Robert)
by deja vu February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

11 days
by mikoli007 February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

You should be good to go mikoli!
You´ll get your answers this week I´m sure!

"It´s better to act on Information, then react to missinformation"

Be patient and don´t listen to the Mystical Sceptics.
by A Conscious Mind February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

http://www.eltllc.com-a.googlepages.com/
by A Conscious Mind February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

mikoli007

Is there anyway that you can contact me away from this thread? The rep that I was working with is not an authorized rep with ELT. Their name is listed on the eltllc.com website as not being an authorized rep at this point. I have not been assigned an authorized rep and don´t know how to get in contact with anyone. Can you please email me at wallo61@yahoo.com?

Thank you.
by oscar07 February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

What state are you in mikoli?
by A Conscious Mind February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

I´m sorry, what state are you in oscar07?
by A Conscious Mind February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Missouri
by oscar07 February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

oscar07,
I´m sorry your in Missouri...hehe.
I´m sorry, I could´nt help myself....lol.

In a perfect wourld, an Authorized Rep. from your state should contact you via email. If that does´nt happen, hang in there and keep in touch this week for more info.

You do have a loan in.....right?
by A Conscious Mind February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

might ad that the 1% is not up front, you pay that only after you have been approved and recieve a Promisary Note for that amount!
by A Conscious Mind February 25, 2008

Promissory note means nothing if the company goes under. Oh and I am certainly not saying its a scam just pointing out a fact...:-)
by marie3328 February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

marie3328
Thanks for helping me with my spelling...:-)
by A Conscious Mind February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

I have been following this thread for a couple of days. Lots of interesting things being said.
I have some thoughts.

1. It´s not impossible that someone could put a program together that could help the average person. Two of the richest men in the world are giving most of there money to charitable causes. (Gates and Buffet)

2. There is no harm in waiting to see what happens with these loans. Most posts here offer no proof whatsoever either for or against the ELT program. Most of the rhetoric here is emotionally based with little evidence at all.
4% fixed is not far from some of the fixed rates that we are seeing in the market place now. 5.75 can be obtained all day long. 4% is unusual, yes. Impossible? Perhaps not.

3. If this is a real program, it is not being handled very well. I don´t see how you get sued with a RICO based lawsuit before your program even gets off the ground.
At the very least, someone with the expertise and knowledge that this person is supposed to have should have been better prepared for these obstacles than they are showing themselves to be. So on a BEST case scenario, this is a disorganized company and should be carefully examined before giving over hard earned money.

4. On another note, when economies tend to be somewhat shaky like the one that we are in, scams that look similar to this crop up right on cue. Not saying this is one of those scams, just saying that the timing is right.

5. I use and understand promissory notes. I could open a LLC tomorrow and issue you a promissory note for a million dollars. If my company went out of business, it’s worth nothing. So that particular note in exchange for my cash does little to give me peace of mind.


Here is a quote directly from the BBB site:



“The BBB has witnessed a national trend of advance fee loan and credit card scams. These scams target individuals who are having trouble obtaining cash or credit. Customers are lured by advertisements and direct mail pieces promising "guaranteed" loans or credit cards- regardless of credit history - for advance fees running between $50 and several hundred dollars.

However, you must pay an advance fee before obtaining the "loan" or "credit card". These so-called loan brokers don´t lend money directly; they claim to act as money finders and ask for an advance fee in order to prepare a loan application and present it to prospective lenders. But these firms cannot guarantee loans, despite their promises of unlimited funding sources. In many cases, brokers fraudulently pocket advance fees, make no effort to find the funds promised, and the customer loses money. “




My conclusion:


Wait and see what happens. No reason to rush to judgment on this. Time will show what this all means and how it is to be handled. In the mean time there is no reason to try and defend or deny any claims for or against this program. Prudence and patience will win the day. Use sound judgment and consider what facts you have to work with.

There are very few facts to work with in my opinion. So sound reasoning says to wait and time will tell. Being aware that there are scams out there makes a person cautious and wise. It not prove that this is one.





by lett0 February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

This has nothing to do with the naysayers. This is nothing but big ol fashioned scam. PLain and simple.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

2. There is no harm in waiting to see what happens with these loans.

1% upfront can harm a lot of folks.


by dead eye February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

So, do you think that these people are going to send in their 1% to their local ´authorized´ agent which sends it to Empire. Then, one by one, Empire is going to list these agents as not authorized and not associated with Empire and try to put all the blame and responsibility of the money on the agents?

just another thought!
by CBOofTN February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Dead Eye


I didn’t mean to imply that people should put their money in and HOPE that it works out.

I was advising the exact opposite. Wait to see if this company is legit and above board.

If they are, that will come to light in due time. Then invest.
If not, that will be made evident and you don’t risk your 1%.

Thanks for helping me clarify.

by lett0 February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Predident,
How has some people been funded already, if it is all scam? We people are so quick to judge that we don´t think anything will work. Look how many scams have been happenen for years with all of these so called banks and mortgage lenders down through the years and nobody has anything bad to say about them. So good things do sometimes work. I´m sure you are one of those so called important people that have never been in a situation that a lot of people are in right now. Scaming is why this country is where it is now, because we always think that the big business is the only way to go.
by dou69 February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Are you one of those illiterates they were talking about on the news tonight, dou69?

I have no idea what you just wrote.
by marie3328 February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

dou69
;-)
by A Conscious Mind February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

dou69, you slack-jawed cretan. Can you not spell or use grammar correctly?


by TennesseeTuxedo February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

I doubt the funding claims!


Can anyone prove they were funded?
by dead eye February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

No need to prove anything dead eye, you can just go without!
by A Conscious Mind February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Sorry to hear that dead eye, I guess you´ll have to go without.


by TennesseeTuxedo February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Well dead eye that´s the super, top secret, hush, hush, wink, wink question.

For that the authorized agents would have to reveal them selves along with their closed clients and well, then Timber whatever would have to kill you.

This thread so far has proved to be hot air along with a looks like pyramid scheme.

I did say looks like....
by marie3328 February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Is´nt that what your looking for guys!!!!
Hot air.....without it you would suffocate!!

You wont get what your looking for on this thread!
They dont advertise on the web!
by A Conscious Mind February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Oh, thanks for the clarification after xx # of posts.

This was a veiled ad. So when someone googles xyz company this comes up and it looks like they are legit and funding loans and xyz.
by marie3328 February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Give me some proof that something has funded. You have absolutely nothing. You are just a new poster probably made up by A conscious Mind who prbably works for ELT. Let´s state the facts and then you tell me what would you do.

1. A company owned by a man who is being sued by the very title company who he was working with

2. No advertising for this product. Only cotnact is through an "authorized rep"

3. A 1% fee for Empire to underwrite and give you a loan.

4. A 4% fixed rate that does not exist ANYWHERE.

5. Not listed with the Secretary of State of NY or the better business bureau

6. A promisory note that means nothing if ELT goes BK all of a sudden.

If I had a product this good, I would be shouting it from the roof tops. ACM, dou69, or anyone else that is "positive" about this product cannot offer 1 shred of evidence or piece of paper about this 4% fixed. The old saying is that if it is too good to be true it probably is. Course they also said there is a sucker born every minute as well.




by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Pres.
There we have it, your right!!! I´m a sucker until I find out otherwise!!!

by A Conscious Mind February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Well at least your right on one thing A. Suckers usually are the last to find out...
by marie3328 February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

I will wait and see, I have done all I can do myself. But I will have to say that the nay sayers are at least correct so far, not one shred of evidence. Anybody have a name of someone who funded, its gotta be recorded somewhere.
by mikoli007 February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

I´m done here folks. I´ve heard enough, I´ve said enough.
Time to leave this thread for what it is, a way for the sceptics and the mystics to come together with a common goal! Try to destroy the good in humanity before it has time to grab hold and change things for the better!
Telling us we cant think for ourselves and that we need government, religion or law enforcement to protect us from ourselves!

You don´t have to hear a word I say but if you need, and we all do, a way to own a home without needing two full time jobs, than hang in there and see what happens. Meanwhile, turn of the BOOB TUBE and do some reading. Anything to get your faith in humanity back!!!

Its been real.......so have at it mystics.......enjoy yourselves.......I´m no longer listening!!!


by A Conscious Mind February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

No I don´t have any ones name of anyone that has funded but even if I did I would not give it out. I will let you know when I fund, but I will not give you my name either.

Remember everyone, No one has to put up 1% until they have been qualified for the Loan. Then it is up to you if you want send in your 1%. But really why fill out the application if you really don´t intend to go forward. Just wait a bit until you get more information and you are satisfied.

I just looked at the new link for the application. it even says this:

*Prepared to Submit 1% Prepayment to Private Escrow Attorney : Yes No

Also it states that one must put in the name of their Authorized Rep.

You will not find this on the internet it is a Private Humanitarian Lender.

I am proud to say that I have worked with a few Humanitarians. And I have never been scammed by them. But I have been Scammed many times before and one was a Mortgage Broker that got me a loan that had I not found out 4 months later what kind of a loan I really got I would have been so upside down I would not have been able to refinance our loan. As it was he took us for $35,000 in front and back end fees because we had a huge prepayment penalty. Neither I nor my husband knew what we had only that it was a great loan. So they told us at the title company that worked closely with this mortgage company.

Spoke to a friend of mine who was an honest Mortgage Broker and she wanted me to take him to court.

The Attorneys are working with Baushmann to get all the legal things taken care. People can at this time send in their applications if they want. It won´t hurt you. I believe the only thing that could hold up your loan is if you have a lien on your property or if you have it tied up in a trust or something. So you may want to consider that also.

There just is a 65 - 70 day escrow. Since he is the lender he can make the terms. I am willing to wait that to get a great loan.

I have heard wonderful things about Baushmann and I know I will be ok. I hope someday I will be able to meet him. Many have said he is very kind and has a big heart. I believe it.
by fairloan February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

That is a good idea A Conscious Mind. I agree, Enough said. I am done too. I will post once I get funded
by fairloan February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

"I just looked at the new link for the application" what link? Thanks
by mikoli007 February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

fairloan say:

"No I don´t have any ones name of anyone that has funded"

but fairloan also said this:

" This is helping a friend of mine who is in foreclosure and now does not have to leave her home. I am so happy for her."

do you all live in "Disneyland"??? waiting for the pompous "Bob" to come and save your day??

Get a life!!

I know Bob - he´s a lying, obviously cheating, idiot....and if I had my way I´d reach through this damn! computer and strangle him silly for taking all these people for a ride!! Bob, I hope you drop the soap when you get to prison!!



by ocean tech February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

I called Ticor title and they confirmed with me over a week ago that they had funded more than one loan.

I don´t know why they would have any reason to lie about that.

Again, that doesnt prove anything at the moment.

It only proves that they closed more than one loan.

That does NOT make the program legit.

Every good scam pays the up front people money to get the good word out.

Just google "ponzi scheme" to see how this has been done over the last 100 years by more than a few scammers.

That being said, that doesn´t PROVE that this is a ponzi scheme either.

The only sound decision is to wait and see what happens with this lawsuit and the current people who have paid in.

On the ELT website listed here: http://www.eltllc.com/ it says the following:

"If Empire collected two 1% deposits and then turned around and paid out two loans – that is like giving someone a dollar for every penny they put up! Hardly a brilliant criminal scheme"

As I understand it, they have representatives in many states, so collecting deposits from people all over the county and funding a couple of deals here in Washington would be relativly easy to do. So I don´t buy that explanation.
Again not proving anything to me whatsoever. Just that more time is needed to watch, wait and see.

You dont have to "Hope" that a company is legit. Good companies are transparent and above board.
If they are working towards that goal, then that will be made apparent soon.

If not, I have not lost anything by waiting to see, and neither will you.



by lett0 February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

So fairloan,

Let me get this straight you go with a supposed crooked broker and you find out only 4 months later that you closed on a loan that you never read the loan documents to or find out what loan terms you have and you discover that you were taken for $35,000 and that you were so updside down that you would not be able to refinance out.

But your kindly trusted mortgage broker (that you didn´t use in the first place helped you out). Please do digress and tell us how you got out of a loan that you were taken for by $35,000 and cannot refinance out of but now miraculously you tell us you did?

Have you heard of that Jim guy? Some foreign country. He had his diciples move there. Said he was the messiah and had people committ mass murder in one single day, women, children all gone based on one man´s machinations...

Good luck with that....keep drinking the Kool aid...
by marie3328 February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Seems you guys are trying to do damage control. Popping up in the most unexpected places, asking about this company trying to balance what is on google with the lawsuit with Ticor.


http://www.brokeruniverse.com/grapevine/thread/?thread=60048

Funny how your posting on other mortgage boards as well. Boards that actually list your # of posts so it is easy to see the transparency.

by marie3328 February 25, 2008 12:00 AM

I have confirmed with an escrow officer at Ticor that 1 and only 1 loan funded.

Personally, I think Empire funded someone that´s part of Empire.

I hear there´s another company that is going to do what Empire does but without the 1% upfront and I´ll be the first in line! No money upfront sounds more ligit to me!


by Ms. Taken February 26, 2008 12:00 AM

by dukeman February 26, 2008 12:00 AM

I´ve been watching this tread for a while, and I´m waiting to see what happens with this as well. I must clarify a few things that have been misstated. The 1% up front is not a fee. It is actually considered prepaid interest according to the application documents. Also, the promissory note the a person signs upon application is about the 1%. It means that if the loan does not close, that money is owed to the applicant. Granted, ELT would have to make good on that, but it is not the same as an up front fee. I was told by my rep that the 1%´s are now held in the attorney´s non-depleting account, and they are no longer allowed to be transferred out. I have my doubts about this loan just as everyone else. But it is new. And there will be road bumps in getting things set up correctly. Look at Microsoft Vista - shouldn´t they have things running better by now? They aren´t exactly new to the market either. Even with a few doubts, I have to look at this and see that through all of the drama, Baschmann didn´t leave town. And he stopped recieving money up front until they worked things out. Why would someone set himself up with a title company of things, knowing that you are going to jail if you defraud people? I have to believe that he is smarter than that.
by dukeman February 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Ms. Taken -
You acknowledge that another company is going to be doing what ELT is doing, and you say that you will be the first in line. With that statement, you are essentially saying that you believe that there can be a product out there like this, but you aren´t willing to risk anything at all. ELT has indicated that you can get the 1% back if the loan does not close. They give it to you in writing - that is what the promissory note is for. When a person gives a landlord a security deposit to hold an apartment, there is a chance that the landlord could run with the money. But no one has a problem with this because the landord will give you a receipt. So what is the difference here? Baschmann hasn´t disappeared. And he is subject to more scruteny and stiffer penalties. Let´s all just give the guy a chance. This is not traditional financing, so everyone needs to stop comparing it to that.
by dukeman February 26, 2008 12:00 AM

So, If I give this CROOK 1%, I can live in his house?
by dead eye February 26, 2008 12:00 AM

dead eye, you´ve had not one constructive thing to add to this tread. What exactly is your goal here? Some of us are trying to have a serious discussion, and all you want to do is make slanderous accusations. Do you know Baschmann? Have you had any dealings with him that you would like to share? If they are true, then you have nothing to worry about if you post them. If they are false, or the more likely scenario, you are just posting with nothing factual either way, then you are commiting slander and you should stop before you are sued. People are trying to obtain factual information and your posts appear to be a waste of everyone´s time. In the future, please everyone, only post facts that you can back up with proof whether they are good or bad. Otherwise, don´t waste your time posting.
by dukeman February 26, 2008 12:00 AM

I´m impressed by peoples desire to condemn this guy and this program as crooked or announce him as the savior of the free world with no evidence for either.

I´m really not clear on why it´s so important to figure it out in the next 24 hours.

No one is really going to know for sure until it all comes out in the open.

It will be facinating to see all the crowing that goes on when one side is proven correct in the end.

As if they were in the "know" all along.

If people were really in the "know" on either side they would have offered some sort of subtantial evidence from the beginning. Which they haven´t.

Instead what this thread has been about is unwarrented flame throwing and accusations that seem unfounded and overdone by the doubters, and mindless optimism by the people who already have put in their 1% and are praying that they didn´t get burned.

Where is the balanced call for reason and cautious optimism?


My earlier statement still holds.

Time will tell. In the mean time, keep your 1% and wait and see what happens.


by lett0 February 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Thank you lettO. These are my points exactly. Unless someone has something provably constructive to say, either for the good or for the bad, then just refrain from posting. Everyone will know for sure when one of theses outcomes occurs:

1) The loans fund.
2) The loans don´t fund and you get your 1% back.
3) Baschmann is forced to return the 1%´s by lawsuit and you get some amount of money back.
4) Baschmann goes to jail and you are out the 1%.

These are the outcomes and only time will tell us which it will be. I´m getting close to closing, so I will let everyone know when or if I do.
by dukeman February 26, 2008 12:00 AM

dead eye, you´ve had not one constructive thing to add to this tread.

I can´t think of anything constructive to say about a scam!

Sue away!
by dead eye February 26, 2008 12:00 AM

I have witnessed this trash for decades. It comes in several forms. Bank letters of credit, etc. It can be a KITING SCHEME. It can be just a rip off for taking up front fees. Ive seen a-holes who totally believe the lies given to them and they go out and look for investors to put up money to share.Some of these things will say they are giving you profits but only in the form of a debit card to some bank in they Cayman Islands, etc. You see ads for this crap in Entrepreneurs Magazine and in the major newspapers.

I pray that none of you will consider this trash. It should all be wiped out not only as an ad, but a virus from an unfirm mind.
by JustplainMarvin February 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Dukeman IF you close this scam, I will post a pic of myself naked in a compromising position with a barnyard animal. Tard.
by JustplainMarvin February 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Oceantech,

Sounds like you know Bob well enough to make a judgement. Why are you so bitter?


by Godwilling February 26, 2008 12:00 AM

There is nothing in these post that makes it even appear half way ligit.....

Some of these folks are swooning over good old Robert.

You would think it was the second coming.

Obama, of course!
by dead eye February 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Marvin,
IF it happens, I´ll hold you to it. I´ve never taken the position of one side vs the other. All I have said is for everyone to talk about facts either way, and give this a chance to work. Your use of the word "tard" just reveals you attidude towards people. Have you been wronged in some way or just unloved?
by dukeman February 26, 2008 12:00 AM

I´m just wondering how many here have spoken with the representative Mike Diamond. I have not spoken with him, but I understand he is the agent here locally. What is your perception of him?


by CBOofTN February 26, 2008 12:00 AM

I have spoken to Mike. He seems to be professional and quite knowledgeable. He has indicated to me that he has invested as well and is confident that things will close. I talked with him yesterday, and he had indicated that everything was resuming as scheduled.
by dukeman February 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Duke I made a mistake. In fact, after re reading it I was about to post an apology. I had been skimming this thread and was mixing up between you and another poster. I withdraw the word but add in gullible IF you are actually in process on one of these things. If not, Ive again misread/judged what you are saying here..

I will stand by my offer though.

by JustplainMarvin February 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Marv that is no problem. I would like to be the editor the aforementioned tread and suggest the phrase: cutting-edge risk-taker, as I have not risked anything that I cannot afford to loose. I would suggest the same for anyone else considering this program as it is still unproven. Thanks again for the repost Marv
by dukeman February 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Well, this is some interesting stuff right here.
Can´t wait to hear the outcome!

please, do all come back to tell your stories when there is an outcome one way or another!

by ladyinwaiting February 26, 2008 12:00 AM

marie3328; Tennessee"NOBODY"Tuxedo,
What I was saying, was that, if you don´t know all of the facts then it is best to keep your mouth closed. U two know what I was talking about.
by dou69 February 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Dukeman:
5th option: Bauschmann´s company goes bankrupt because he can´t find 4% financing anywhere to support the remainder of the loans he has promised. When he files for banruptcy, his attorney flushes his debt (remember, he is the BORROWER) down the toilet, you are left with nothing, and he walks. Perfectly legal.

As for Mike Diamond and if he seems professional and knowledgable? I´m sorry, I didn´t know that someone being a "professional and knowledgable" was the only prerequisite for writing a check to a company that there is no information on, to an attorney´s private account. An attorney? Since when have we started trusting attorney´s?

I have been approached by this Ponzi scheme, and I have had to warn my friend´s to stay away from it.
Why is Bauschmann borrowing 1%?
If he is borrowing your 1%, where is he borrowing the principal from to pay your seller??
How much interest is he paying on the principal he is borrowing? His cost of capital would have to be less than 4%. Where is he getting that??
No one has yet explained how this works. How would anyone loan 1% of their requested loan amount to someone who has not yet made it clear how they are ever going to be able to buy your current loan or borrow money on your equity??
The only way I have seen it explained so far is from the negative front, that he will take on the average every 100 deposits and buy a loan with it, and boom - he is a hero because he did what he said he was going to do ... fund a loan.
This is the meat of it and the crux of it for everyone who has signed off their 1% loan to Bob - not whether Mike Diamond is professional, knowledgable or even courteous.

Remember Option #5 - Bauschmann goes belly up, flushes all those 1% loans down the toilet, and the money goes out as "fees" or "salary".
by wwr February 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Get out while you can, but remember that if you can get your 1% back, it still proves nothing, because the ratio of requested refunds to total borrowings is still very low. When it gets high enough, I believe he will bail.
by wwr February 26, 2008 12:00 AM

dou69, I pretty much bowed out of this nonsense. I don´t give a squalling rats ass what you clowns are up to. You dig?

Piss off ya llama!



by TennesseeTuxedo February 26, 2008 12:00 AM

TennesseeTuxedo
You do give a rats ass, besause if u didn´t you would not keep up the reply. It is just something that people are trying to see what happens. Why doubt the company until all the information is on the table. Just a thought. Have a good day.
by dou69 February 26, 2008 12:00 AM

wwr,

He has no cost of funds as he will use the 1% money..
However, if he funds any, it will be just to keep the pipeline open.............................At the right time for him he will bail

THERE IS NO LOGIC TO THIS
by dead eye February 26, 2008 12:00 AM

I have followed this thread just like I follow word association thread, just see what dumb ass thing will be said next. I really don´t care if this is real or not.

Peace out.


by TennesseeTuxedo February 26, 2008 12:00 AM

WHAT KIND OF IDIOTS WOULD POST OTHER PEOPLES NAMES AND PHONE #s ON HERE, BUT REMAIN ANONYMOUS THEMSELVES!!!!!

COWARDS!!!
by A Conscious Mind February 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Have I called you directly chief? Didn´t think so.

I can be reached at importantinfo321@aol.com if you wish to talk off the board.


by TennesseeTuxedo February 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Oh ok, so since you can now write a coherent sentence dou69 (by the way nice moniker)you think you can tell us to keep our mouths´ shut?

No

No

If I am correct I do have free speech and so does TT and everyone else.

So while you can say to me, keep your mouth shut. I say I can not.

Isn´t this a great country???

Oh and as for that incoherent mumbo jumbo all I can say is, step away from the crack pipe and nobody gets hurt.

See!!! free speech, ain´t it great?


by marie3328 February 26, 2008 12:00 AM

I guess its going to take a "Red Dawn" for us to come together!
I´m ashamed to be living in the same Country as half you people!


by A Conscious Mind February 26, 2008 12:00 AM

What the hell happened to this thread? Why are you guys hijacking this thread???


....sitting here eating popcorn
by deja vu February 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Simply put the people who are "supporting" this type of loan have not offered 1 shred of proof that this is going to happen. All you keep saying is wait and see or I cannot believe you are naysayers about a humanitarian program. That proves NOTHING.

1. You cannot povide a rate sheet from this guy
2. You cannot produce any documentation on how this loan works.
3. You can only be contacted by an authorized rep.

You can blow all the smoke you want about the 1%. IT IS STILL AN UPFRONT FEE BACKED BY A PROMISORY NOTE!!!. What part of this do you people not get. That promisory note might as well be written in chalk on the sidewalk. That is what it is worth. The guy and his company are being sued YET you still think it is a good idea to do business with him.

This is freakin unbelievable. I find it hard to believe that there are people that are STILL interested in this BS.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag February 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Mr. President, please sit down and quit blocking my view, just have a cool refreshing sip of the Kool-aid.....ahhhh everything will be fine, just fine....
by deja vu February 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Ummm, Mr. President? I think it´s raining. There goes the chalk.
by marie3328 February 26, 2008 12:00 AM

The thing is Pres.
We dont care if you know about this or not......you want proof....tuff.....you aint gettin it!

Anybody else wants proof....tuff.....you aint gettin it.....you dont deserve it.....go without your loans.....you blew it....say goodbye!!!!


by A Conscious Mind February 26, 2008 12:00 AM

ohhh ok, I guess unconscious mind is in charge, not Robert??!!

somebody, get a rope!!!
by deja vu February 26, 2008 12:00 AM

No need to hang yourself deja vu, just go away!!!
by A Conscious Mind February 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Just if anyone checked out bobs other companies or companies he´s affiliated with. For example. The government solicitations company that shows up when you google the full address on the eltllc website. Not on anyones side just interesting. Deals with high money government contracts. Including iraq oil rebuild. His name and address are listed in some of those docs some date back to 93
by loanguy76 February 26, 2008 12:00 AM

loanguy76

Yes. I did check all this out. I know about the Gov´t contracts listing his name. I have ascertained a few things already.

1. There is gov´t money or gov´t backing somewhere in this ordeal.

2. The FBI has nothing negative or positive to say regarding this and they claim NOT to have an "active" investigation.

3. There is no way a 20 year legal veteran from Yale would risk life behind bars by associating with a "scam".

4. There is no way this could continue much longer IF it were a complete fraud.

5. ANYONE can sue ANYONE for ANYTHING in the USA.

6. TICOR has blatantly lied in that lawsuit based on what their OWN employees are stating.

7. Time is the only redeeming factor in this ordeal.

I am quite impatiently waiting...
The outcome will either send someone to jail/prison or make someone A GREAT DEAL OF MONEY. Either way, it should be fun reading the posts. Kudos guys... This is better than a good book.


by SwooPDaddY February 27, 2008 12:00 AM

I know I mentioned this earlier, but the local rep, who is named in this thread, asks that you send payment to a particular address. This address is the same as a P.O. Box, which means when things go bad, he can´t be connected to receiving those payments.

by CBOofTN February 27, 2008 12:00 AM

Well folks here´s a new and much more comforting twist. Bob has offered a company seeking a very large refinancing of their business, the ability to hold the 1% (going to be in the millions), in their own account.... until the funds are available for draw down, in total, following the 60-75 day period.
I can´t see the problem there.

By the way, about 30 years ago there was a bank (I think it was Marine Midland NY) that offered a similar program at 3% (in an 8% loan environment) in which they (the Bank) had a silver futures portfolio used in the same way Bob is using his lumber transaction.

I say give it a chance....he has some infrastructure challenges that he is working on now, and I beleive that he will come out clean and reliable!

Maestro

by Maestro February 27, 2008 12:00 AM

That is how the pompous A-hole gets people´s comfort levels up. "He" claims to be "connected" and is high up the food chain when it comes to money raising with unconventional methods, i.e. PPP, forex trading on a high level, etc....


He is full of shit and a mickey mouse operation dealing in an arena that he has no clout or abilities to participate in....

he´s a "Trader"?, my ass!........

he couldn´t trade his way through a baseball card collection!
by ocean tech February 27, 2008 12:00 AM

maestro,

you´re a dumb ass too!! 30 years ago, the "environment" was not at an 8% rate, more like 12-15%+




as far as Bob bringing another client in to wait 60 - 75 days, tell them to stand in line and take a number!!

-so these guys are doing a "large" loan right? so maybe that 1% he gleams can help pay off a couple more loans that have been waiting a loooonnnnggg time, right?





then you make this comment:

"I say give it a chance....he has some infrastructure challenges that he is working on now, and I beleive that he will come out clean and reliable!"

hellloooo!!! we´ve been marching down over 180 days so far!!! and ALWAYS the same excuse...."infrastructure challenges", got to love it!!

don´t hold your breath....




by ocean tech February 27, 2008 12:00 AM

Hey Conscious. I know I am not getting any proof. THERE IS NONE!!! No one is missing out on any loans because this does not exist. The only thing missing is the 1% fee that some of these poor unsuspecting people have put up and have lost to the Chinese Bank. You keep spewing your BS so you can stay on the ELT payroll.



by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag February 27, 2008 12:00 AM

CBOofTN- They are now using an attorney and funds no longer go to Ticor or a PO Box. They go to an attorney´s firm and funds are held in a "non-depleting account". That is the most recent update on the process from my contact who referred me to them. I am not biased in any way but this thread is very interesting. It seems like a very precarious situation for people placing 1% down but I have seen things like this in commercial deals. I just wonder why the "lender" needs to have access to the funds if he/she has money in the first place. Why not use a broker, hold off on the prepaid interest or place it in an ESCROW account like in most real estate transactions. I suppose the attorney is somewhat better but why change the game? Use ESCROW like the rest of the world. Why a promissory note? Just hold funds in ESCROW until you close and then disburse accordingly.... These are my issues with what looks like a good program executed poorly.


by Can't we just all get along? February 27, 2008 12:00 AM

http://www.eltllc.com-a.googlepages.com/ NEW INFO. Seems like I´ve heard this info on this thread before. Waiting
by mikoli007 February 27, 2008 12:00 AM

Hey Bob, I hope you get this message before your door gets kicked in. Warrant for your arrest will be out shortly. Im sure the 1% you got from have the idiots on this board should be able to pay for a good attorney.

See ya
by yourmoneyguy@hotmail.com February 27, 2008 12:00 AM

in the same way Bob is using his lumber transaction.


So, why is there no record of Good Ol´ Bob´s lumber transactions?
by dead eye February 27, 2008 12:00 AM

Cant we just all get along,

Does your contact know your blabing that information on this thread! I dought it!

Stop giving these IDIOTS Information, they could´nt wipe there ass without checking with the government first!
by A Conscious Mind February 27, 2008 12:00 AM

Yourmoneyguy:
Where can we look up the records for the warrant for his arrest at. Will u please provide that info to us? I checked the town that they are in and the FBI records and I came up empty. Looking for your help.
by dou69 February 27, 2008 12:00 AM

Yourmoneyguy:
Where can we look up the records for the warrant for his arrest at. Will u please provide that info to us? I checked the town that they are in and the FBI records and I came up empty. Looking for your help.
by dou69 February 27, 2008 12:00 AM

Funny, how someone calls someone else an idiot and can´t even spell half. I could care less one way or the other.
by mikoli007 February 27, 2008 12:00 AM

Yourmoneyguy:
Where can we look up the records for the warrant for his arrest at. Will u please provide that info to us? I checked the town that they are in and the FBI records and I came up empty. Looking for your help.
by dou69 February 27, 2008 12:00 AM

Yourmoneyguy:
Where can we look up the records for the warrant for his arrest at. Will u please provide that info to us? I checked the town that they are in and the FBI records and I came up empty. Looking for your help.
by dou69 February 27, 2008 12:00 AM

Conscious Mind, who are talking to.
by mikoli007 February 27, 2008 12:00 AM

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by backgroundgrrl February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

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by backgroundgrrl February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

Don´t forget to inform everyone that the promissory note states that the amount of note is...

..."on demand but only if Borrower (Empire) is unable to obtain a letter of credit in an amount no less than (the loan amount) in connection with Borrower´s lumber/timber transactions."

that is a quote


by CBOofTN February 27, 2008 12:00 AM

shouldn´t that be idiotgroup.com
by dead eye February 27, 2008 12:00 AM

JJ42. IT IS STILL A 1% UPFRONT FEE NO MATTER WHICH WAY YOU CUT IT. That is what no one who is in favor of this program address.

Sure there are some upfront fees in Commercial. That is a TOTALLY different animal than residential lending with a lot more money at risk in a commercial project.

But what I can do is since the government gave me the ok, I can wipe my a*S with that promissory note that everything is written on because that is all it is worth.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag February 27, 2008 12:00 AM

Putting the power of money back in your hands?!?! <-what a line!

When I asked my client ´How can this company be offering 4%, when everyone else is much higher?´, she responded ´Because he (Baschmann) is a billionaire´. I then asked ´Do you think a billionaire would actually be in a business earning a small return compared to the high risk seen in today´s market?´. She responded ´He´s just not greedy´. She also stated that this program is a result of the Government´s attempt to help our foreclosure problem. She speaks as if she knows him personally.

Now, my question is ´Who is filling her head full of this´?


by CBOofTN February 27, 2008 12:00 AM

oh boy....the grammar police "A Conscious Mind". You write on threads all day for a living. Go get a client or close a loan and stop getting in everyones bizness "correct that one too".

Send me 1% of your bank account and I will go buy lunch with it.

loser

p.s I started this thread....i can type any way i choose.

gFjhhUlhCjhK YOU!
by yourmoneyguy@hotmail.com February 27, 2008 12:00 AM

by BACK2THEBASICS February 27, 2008 12:00 AM

by BACK2THEBASICS February 27, 2008 12:00 AM

My opinion is that there is no supporting proof either for or against this opportunity. I´m hopeful it is true, and I´m sure most everyone who has posted a comment is as well. We all could unload a lot of burden with this type of program. Time is the judge of this. There are numerous claims of authenticity and numerous claims of hoax. I personally spent hours online finding out as much information as I could on Robert Bauschman Jr, probably as well as you all did too. I did not find enough stable proof to proceed with a clear understanding of this being the real deal.

My biggest questions are...

Is Robert Bauschman Jr. really a real Billionaire? If so why have we not heard of him or his substantial philanthropically efforts to help people before?

If he has all this money, how come this is not a tightly organized system? If I had a billion dollars I would have the best of the best for my organization.

A month ago you couldn’t find anything referring to ELT other than a business being incorporated by a high level business attorney in NY. Now endless amounts of information. hmm....

Like I said before I’m crossing my fingers and praying this is the real deal...I could use it. So could you.

by BACK2THEBASICS February 27, 2008 12:00 AM

A person should never have to suspend ones intellect in order to believe something.

In other words, all the people here would be best served by cautious optimism served with a healthy dose of patience.

When something can go either way, the only safe conclusion is one that says:

"Im going to wait and see what happens"

This approach does no harm whatsoever and does not impede the program from progressing if it is legit.

If it is the real thing, it will move forward whether I believe in it or not.

Forking over 1% before the program has stood on it´s own merits, makes no sense on any level. I, or you can only be harmed by throwing money at something and hoping it works out. Our optimism has nothing to do with making this program work or not.

Remember the Proverb:

"A fool and his money are soon parted"

So, don´t be fools. Be sound investors who wait to see which way the wind blows and act accordingly when all the facts are in.

Emotionally, im with BACK2BASICS, I would LOVE for this to work out for everyone.

Analytically, I cannot in good conscience move forward without more concrete information than this forum has provided.

I anyone has DOCUMENTS regarding the Ticor suit or anything of any substance, please post and let me know.

Thanks
by lett0 February 27, 2008 12:00 AM

Bob, a billionaire???? where did that come from? Hell! he could barely afford the trip to NY City to get the bank set up!! oh my gosh?!?! did Bob really tell someone he was a billionaire????
by ocean tech February 27, 2008 12:00 AM

Ocean Tech

Look at jj42´s post above

EMPIRE LOGGING & TIMER LLC
eltproject@billionairegroup.net Tel: (888)672-9222 Fax: (518)689-6886


by dead eye February 27, 2008 12:00 AM

having an email address with "billionaire" does not constitute being one?! It looks like that "CBOofTN" did a scenario making that reference, I don´t know if his client was real or if he was just making a point in a possible conversation. So I´m believing that none of Bob´s "follower´s" are making that claim. If someone really heard that from Bob, please address it!!
by ocean tech February 27, 2008 12:00 AM

dead eye writes:

"in the same way Bob is using his lumber transaction.

So, why is there no record of Good Ol´ Bob´s lumber transactions?
by dead eye February 27, 2008"


dead eye,

EXACTAMUNDO!!

if you read waaayyyyy back there on this thread, you´ll see where I made reference to the fact that his "lumber transaction" does not exist. He has no "contract" and no "timber". If "contract" was in place then his program would have kicked into gear and cashflowing for everybody by now (over 180 days and ticking Bob!!!!) if "timber" existed, I could have performed on a commodity deal for him to create the cashflow for his program......NO "timber", does not exist!!!

if everybody is waiting on this as an "infrastructure challenge" - YOU GUYS/GALS ARE ALL IN DEEP KIMCHEE!!!

for all of you that have 1% into this program already-

you all need to get a hold of Bob directly.....and get some solid answer´s rather then sit back and wait for your next "latest update"!!

and if he doesn´t answer your calls or your emails......what do you think now?????

are you "next" to be put on his shit list for asking the "tough" questions????



by ocean tech February 27, 2008 12:00 AM

OCEAN TECH IS RIGHT - he´s been in it way longer than any of you folks and he knows that your time to get out is NOW before IT IS TOO LATE!!! Stop hoping and being so dang naive!!!!
by wwr February 27, 2008 12:00 AM

sticks and stones may break my bones but Bob is gonna "do ya" in the boo hoo!! ;^)



by ocean tech February 27, 2008 12:00 AM

LOL

ocean tech - I really respect your altruistic persistence in getting people to wake up and hopefully save their 1% from perdition. The ones that bail successfully before Bob bails on them will be thanking you with deep hearts while the others will be miserable.
by wwr February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

Swoopd-

Refering to your quote that I have posted below,
where and how did you check this out? Gov´t money/contracts? Yale? 20 year legal Veteran? Are you guys married or something? Im just wondering where you are getting your information so that people can adjust there comfort ratings up or down as deemed appropriate. Information like that might help someone decide whether to go forward or bail on the program. Please respond.

I personally talked with the FBI yesterday, and they have nothing good or bad to say at this point. The agent said that they just received the complaint and they are still in the info-gathering stage, and that is all. So, yes there is an active investigation, but it is in its infancy. The agent told me that they have to investigate it because of the claims. That does not make them true or false.


"Yes. I did check all this out. I know about the Gov´t contracts listing his name. I have ascertained a few things already.

1. There is gov´t money or gov´t backing somewhere in this ordeal.

2. The FBI has nothing negative or positive to say regarding this and they claim NOT to have an "active" investigation.

3. There is no way a 20 year legal veteran from Yale would risk life behind bars by associating with a "scam".

4. There is no way this could continue much longer IF it were a complete fraud.

5. ANYONE can sue ANYONE for ANYTHING in the USA.

6. TICOR has blatantly lied in that lawsuit based on what their OWN employees are stating.

7. Time is the only redeeming factor in this ordeal. "


by dukeman February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

I expect to see this program on a late night infomercial.

Conscious. Keep making up all those new screen names. Pretty soon you will have one for all 36 personalities.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

1. There is gov´t money or gov´t backing somewhere in this ordeal.

Based on What?
by dead eye February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

dead eye-

SwooPDaddY made that statement. I was quoting him/her and am asking the same questions as you. How are any of you getting this information? To everyone on this tread - AGAIN, I ask that you not post anything that you are not willing or able to back up - either good or bad. NO MORE BS!!!!! If it is heresay, then say that it is heresay. If it is factual, then back it up with facts.
by dukeman February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

I know dukeman......

Interesting that people have tied him into the Iraq oil thing. Looks like all that is there is what appears to be a bid for CD reproduction services......


Some folks seem to want to believe this is real.

I just don´t see how it can be...

Jim Jones


by dead eye February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

I am not going to say that it is not possible for something like this to work. As I mentioned before, I have funds into this, but they were funds that I could afford to take a chance with. I have told the people that I am close to just wait and see what happens with my funds before they put theirs at risk. Either way, of course I am going to be hopeful. However, I am also a realist. It has not been 65-70 days for me yet. I don´t know Robert Baschmann, and neither do most of us. I will give the man a chance to perform as he has said that he would. It is only fair. But, he must perform. And if he can´t, then he must do the honorable thing and return the 1%´s. If he does not, then the FBI will be up his a-- as they are already checking this out. Im sure that Baschmann knows this. The next few weeks will reveal a great deal. I suggest adopting a wait and see approach and see what events unfold.
by dukeman February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

Just curios, what state is everyone in? If it´s many states how do you get all these people to do loans for you? Surely their not in on it if it is a scam. And did you meet your loan rep?
by mikoli007 February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

what state is everyone in?

That´d be the state of confusion!
by dead eye February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

I´m in Michigan. And no, I have not met my rep in person. I have talked to him on the phone a number of times. He does continue to answer his phone and return phone calls promptly.
by dukeman February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

My previous post was of an actual client and an actual conversation. They ended up getting mad at me, but I felt that I was doing the right thing by telling them not to send the money in.

I am in TN
by CBOofTN February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

Hey deadeye

Will he not required to be licensed to lend on this money in different states??


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

enough kidding aside;

Robert Bauschmann Jr.´s program consists of using his "timber contracts" as the initial collateral to create an instrument of value to leverage and trade. He may be implementing other collateral to make something work, maybe this is why it´s taking so long. The fact of the matter is: he´s not "honest" about his situation and when you "dig" to get answers, he gets frustrated and decides not to communicate directly any longer. The list of people he has that are no longer rep´s, I know a few of them and know that these are honest and transparent people asking the same questions as I and many others.

If you are in direct communications with Robert, ask him "why" has it taken so long for his program to come together?, and quit telling people that it´s just a matter of "days" before it gets resolved - we already know it´s more than just "days". And if you´re "sitting on the fence" absolutely DO NOT contribute any more monies into his program until it performs - really performs, not just a loan or two.....

Can Bob pull this off? I really don´t think so. He said too many things that made no sense and when I personally gave him an option to "use" his value to create more value, he could not perform on his part.



by ocean tech February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

"Will he not required to be licensed to lend on this money in different states??"

Apparantly, this is what a lot of the drama has been about. ELT has posted on their site that they are registering Empire and each of its representatives with the various state agencies. I was told by my rep that it was done as of Feb 8th. I have seen no other proof except for that.
by dukeman February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

Come on Pres.
Nobody spells like I do!
by A Conscious Mind February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

Pres.

As for 36 personalities, when your mind is fully Conscious, you have only one personality.

And you dont need to fallow other people like a puppy cause your afraid or too lazy to deside things for yourself!
by A Conscious Mind February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

I have been called a lot of things conscious, but lazy and afraid have not been 2 of them.

See, I decided all on my own that this is a scam. Anybody with 1/2 a brain could figure that out.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

Man. Some people will swallow anything. Hope your throats are lubed if you swallow this bullshit. Those posters who are actually involved in this will simply fade away when the caca hits the fan. We will probably have forgotten about it by then. Those who remember will be the few unfortunate fools who put up fees. How long have some of you been around? These types of scams surface all the time with variations. They are either bank instrument backed (LOLOL) kiting schemes or bonds or backed by contracts and equities that are never proven. Some times they are nothing but complete lies because the fee taker has no affiliation or contact with anything at all and has just placed an ad to sucker people then will disappear with the money or file BK. Many times these freaks have rented expensive office space to look legit.

Ill add to my offer. Anyone here PROVES that this has worked for them and Ill stand on my head naked on the Willamette river bridge in Portland while mashing dog feces into my hair. Ill give you advance notice for the reporters.
by JustplainMarvin February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

Words of advice:

1. Bob is no billionaire.
2. There is no goverment money or backing involved.
3. This is a private GROUP OF PEOPLE supplying the money.
4. Let´s let the courts sort it out as to who is right or wrong.
5. FBI has to do it´s investigation.
6. Empire has put its´ disclosure in the FAQ. They are NOT repeat NOT Mortage Brokers, NOT a Bank, NOT loan officers.

If ocean tech wants to loan money to Dukeman does he has to have a license??????? Can ocean tech set his own terms for loaning the money????

7. WHY NOT LET´S LET THE DUST SETTLE AND SEE WHAT COMES OF THIS IN 30 TO 60 DAYS, BECAUSE THAT HOW LONG THE FBI REPORT WILL TAKE IF NOT LONGER TO COMPLETE.

In mean time if this is or was a good deal, how many will lose thier home just because someone could NOT beleive any one would want to help some one else.

I´m sure all of you have heard about the "BILLIONARIE FOR BUSH CLUB" Can you also remember about six months ago when Bush got on his WHITE HORSE and asked the American public to stand up and pitch in to help.

Well MAYBE someone did.
by JJ42 February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

Will he not required to be licensed to lend on this money in different states??"

Apparantly, this is what a lot of the drama has been about. ELT has posted on their site that they are registering Empire and each of its representatives with the various state agencies. I was told by my rep that it was done as of Feb 8th. I have seen no other proof except for that.

If this happened, it will take a long time to get in all the states.



by dead eye February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

I have been watching and waiting and even hoping that this is real. Can anyone tell me why an attorney would be willing to jeopardize his career and get involved with this if it is untrue. This is the new information that I was given.

Due to the overwhelming demand for Empire Logging and Timbers lending service, they are currently in the process of updating there prepayment instructions and transitioning to a more suitable firm that will be structured to expedite loans.

Loan terms with Empire will not change; the required 1% prepayment deposit will need to be submitted to the Law Office of Stuart M. Ainsley, P.S. as follows.

Cashiers Check MUST BE MADE PAYABLE TO: LAW OFFICES OF STUART M. AINSLEY, P.S.,
which will be held in their escrow account and stay in place until closing. http://www.ainsleylaw.com
With the new loan structure in place, we will be able to process and expedite all loans in a more timely fashion.
by Waiting February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

BoCB,

Guess you got your question answered.....hehe!
by A Conscious Mind February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

Waiting,

I hope you know what your doing!!!! This very info. was givin to me but we don´t need these Idiots to know that, do we?

by A Conscious Mind February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

For the idiots that want to not believe in the program, go to bank or other lenders and get your loans, they are to busy trying to help people save thier homes and property.


I don´t want to not believe. I DON´T BELIEVE!


by dead eye February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

Out of all the title companies or escrow services in the United States, why is a sole attorney (note "Law Offices" but only one contact person) on Bainbridge Island across Puget Sound from Seattle acting as the new escrow agent? The attorney has nothing to risk if he is just an escrow agent, but how did we go from a national title company to one guy?
by wwr February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

Again,

In closing, we are sure they may have questions that you may still have. The reality is that there is no such thing
as a perfect program. Feel free to contact us for further assistance. To our knowledge, there is not a better
program out there. We simply ask you to accept this opportunity from us at Empire Logging and Timber LLC,
as our way of trying to make a difference , right here, right now, today!

by A Conscious Mind February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

BoCB, there is no point in filling up space on this blog with continuous duplicates of what we already know.

I would hardly call it an attorney firm - it is one guy. How did we get from a national title company to one guy. With a "Group of Investors" in place, business being done from a $120K home on Hwy 99 in New York, it doesn´t seem very professional to switch from a national title company to one guy on Bainbridge Island for tens of millions in escrow.
by wwr February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

OK bocb. I have asked this question to Conscious and other people in favor or ELT. Since you are either in favor of ELT OR just another made up name probably by Cnoscious, why should a client pay ELT/their attorney 1% to get a loan funnded?? NO other lender asks you for that??

And to answer the question, why would an attorney risk his livelihood?? If, and I say IF, he takes off with the 1% of fees collected along with the owner, he can retire very nicely.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

Again,

It does´nt take an act of congress to loan moneys to the population.

Geeeeeeeeese....If its out of the NORM you have to question it!!! Better check with my states Attorney General before I use this toilet paper, it might be made from tree´s........duuuuuua!

Get real people, cant you see what their trying to prove here, we dont need to pay high intrest loans to own a house these days. We could be rid of the their credit score system, their control over the home owner.

If you just be patient, you´ll see what I mean!
by A Conscious Mind February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

BoCB - you must be getting very stressed out because you keep repeating yourself through cut and paste, thus making this blog ineffective for any active discussion.

Out of all the title companies or escrow services in the United States, why is a sole attorney (note "Law Offices" but only one contact person) on Bainbridge Island across Puget Sound from Seattle acting as the new escrow agent? The attorney has nothing to risk if he is just an escrow agent, but how did we go from a national title company to one guy?

I would hardly call it an attorney firm - it is one guy. It doesn´t seem very professional to switch from a national title company to one guy on Bainbridge Island for tens of millions in escrow.

by wwr February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

"And to answer the question, why would an attorney risk his livelihood?? If, and I say IF, he takes off with the 1% of fees collected along with the owner, he can retire very nicely."

GrapePres,
Uh, no they can´t. They would have to leave their family. Say goodbye to life as they know it. They would be on the run continuously. This is not the movies. Does anyone know how difficult it is to get a large amount of money out of the country? It´s difficult even for honest transactions. And with the feds already watching? Im a hopeful neutral here, but come on.

by dukeman February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

by Waiting February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

by Ms. Taken February 26, 2008:

I have confirmed with an escrow officer at Ticor that 1 and only 1 loan funded.

Personally, I think Empire funded someone that´s part of Empire.

--------------------

I know that a loan was funded in King County, Washington State, recorded in late January. This was the broker´s family member. This is a fact. Is this the one that Ticor was talking about? Anyone else out there have any other loan funded since this program started?
by wwr February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

EVERYBODY!!!!!! PLEASE do NOT cut and paste large pieces onto this message board!!! It deteriorates the quality of what we are trying to do here, which is to have a conversation and fact finding session about Empire Logging and Timber so that people can make a educated financial decisions. When we are refreshing our page, it is very difficult to follow an (intelligent) conversation when having to scroll through 18" of cut and paste of something we´ve already read.

THANK YOU
by wwr February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

What the hay was all that multiple cut/paste about?

OK I saw above an atty contact. Now this is even more an ad. You guys are being played into keeping this alive so they can hook suckers. I may post one other thing after doing some research but I wont help shysters sucker others.
by JustplainMarvin February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

For wwr:
Can u find out more info on the loan process that was funded in the state of Washington?
by dou69 February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

Marv,

Don´t you find it interesting that Empire Logging and Timber is using a free web site and the new law firm´s site is cheap looking?
by dead eye February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

I agree, that copy and paste thig was rude.
Looks like the culpret was tryed to make it look like it was me.

Nice try!
by A Conscious Mind February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

When you have to defend yourself on your own website, and also mention that you are in trouble in 2 states, you are already off to a bad start.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

Ya,
I agree 1, its getting outta hand.
by A Conscious Mind February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

The name should be banned for impersonation.
by Ambiguous February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

I´m done.......Bye people!

Got better things to do!
by A Conscious Mind February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

My apologies for posting the attorney address, etc... I didn´t think about it possibly being considered an ad. I´m waiting for answers just like everyone else here. We have all been waiting for some kind of proof. Yet after a couple of weeks we really are almost exactly where we started. We want this to be a real program. We have desperately tried to rise above circumstances and always fall short. For many in foreclosure, this program would be amazing.
by Waiting February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

The links to Iraq oil that people are talking about are a bit misleading. It had nothing to do with oil.

You can go to:

http://www.hq.usace.army.mil/cepa/iraq/SynopsisSummary.pdf

and see what that is in reference to. It looks to me as if Robert has or had a company in the past that did CD reproduction for the Government during the current Iraq war.

The company that he was affiliated with is called
"Governement Solicitation Reproduction Service"

Another company that he is or was affiliated can be found here: http://www.fedvendor.com/contractor/CRR00000000000040662/contact.htm

"Keystone Engineering & Development Services"

Here is another link with one of his companies referenced.
http://savagecybersearch.com/planholders.html

Some of these documents are rather large. To find his name hit ctrl F and type his name in the field to locate it within the document.

Just trying to clarify the Iraq oil issue with documentation that people can actually look at and dicern for themselves.

I for one am willing to put my resources forward for other people to look at. It would be great if all the people in the "know" would give some links to support their ideas either for or against this program.


by lett0 February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

Some one mentioned Military background. That appears to be his father.

search rbaschmannjr there is a lot of stuff out there. Old stuff..................
by dead eye February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

Someone on the thread mentioned about a website that one can fill out an application for this loan program. What would that website be?
by toto53 February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

yes do tell so you will be deleted for an illegal ad. Good Lord, fools.
by We Dont Gots To Show You No Stinkin Badges February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

Someone on the thread mentioned about a website that one can fill out an application for this loan program. What would that website be?
by toto53 February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

Please email me with the name of the website for the application to new08year53@yahoo.com :0)
by toto53 February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

Has
anyone
actually
lost
their
1%
prepayment
of
Interest?

-Just wondering?
by wmortgages February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

I was working with Bob on a non mortgage deal and have not heard from him in 2 weeks. Has anyone heard from him recently?
by ucd February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

thread #365 and counting!!!


Bob! Bob! Bob!......look at what kinda trouble you are in now!?!?!?!? dumbass! you deserve every bit of this.....

I hope it keeps comin´!!! .....people like "you" deserve to be disclosed and found out about. I knew if I left things alone you´d find a way of screwing yourself, without any help from me or anybody else that knew you were up to no-good!!

I´m luvin´ it Bob!, how ya feelin????
by ocean tech February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

Make sure you start each of these posts with (enter his name here) is a (insert your feelings here). The Vine is has an almost scary hit rate and styff shows up in google within minutes. A search of the guys name tomorrow will bring that line up over and over. Im not saying he is one.

Im just sayin´.
by Ambiguous February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

Robert E. Baschmann jr. is a blowviator and a bad guy!!!


like that??
by ocean tech February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

ocean tech,

Whats your name, lets google that and see what happens!

Maybe call you in the middle of the night......ya woose!


by A Conscious Mind February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

if I did stuff like Bob, I´d deserve it and more!
by ocean tech February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

I have read through comments and some I recognize as facts, but has anyone ever looked at Baschmann´s own properties in Erie County? Anyone reviewed his 5 properties totalling about 500k in value, some with liens & judegments? Or that his father took out a 50k loan on his own property as recent as January 2008?

Did anyone actually read the so-called government contract? It is an application. A bid sheet. Not a contract. And Baschmann didn´t get it.

And his military background - why would someone of his supposed wealth be the main contact for a newsletter for a reunion that is so broke it is soliciting money for postage? If identities have been crossed, and its actually his father, would Junior not offer up just a few dollars to dear old dad´s cause?

I have spoken directly with Baschmann. Several times. He has also emailed me directly. I have been threatend, by one of his "Reps" after digging for facts that people who do anything wrong will have the National Treasury knocking at their doors and can be taken away in hand cuffs.

I won´t bore everyone with the long list of facts I´ve investigated and proven about Baschmann and his claims. (Hence the National Treasury coming to take me away) But I will tell you that while claims of fundings have been made, no property address for a funding has been produced. Don´t let it be said it is ´private information´ as Baschmann told me, because he will file a Deed of Trust for a first position lien. And that filing is public information.

If I am "taken away in hand cuffs" for trying to create transparency of a brand new company whose verbal claims I have personally proven false, for trying to protect my clients, then just send red wine to the pokey because that´s where I´ll be.
by nonbeliever February 28, 2008 12:00 AM

Robert Baschman Jr.

hmmmm

If you are real... If you are in any way a businessman....

email me. sobeswoop@hotmail.com

I can easily fix the issues you are having with your "business".

It is run by people who have no idea how to operate a business.

It´s sad...sad...sad...

to be honest, if this is real.... contact me.

If this is a fraud, you are horrible at executing it.... horrible...

I mean.. really bad. u guys are the worst fraud ever and so poorly executed that it has to be real.

no person could ever execute a fraud so poorly and make any money... it´s so pathetic.

if u r real. step it up.

Use title and escrow like the rest of the mortgage world.

Hire a real staff.

Get a real answering service to handle every call.

Get a toll free number with more than one guy to handle incoming calls.

Fire the attorney. Counter sue Ticor...

Send funds to an ESCROW account by a well known title company that can handle your business in any state. Let EVERY branch know what you are doing so there isn´t any confusion.

KEEP funds in escrow until closing.

Get rid of the stupid promissory note. What millionaire needs to BORROW money from clients?????????????

That makes no sense at all. Why the note?

SHUT up the naysayers and fund some deals and post them.

When people look up your company name, they should see hundreds of satisfied borrowers instead of a bunch of completely ignorant people desperately seeking information on you and your company.

FUND DEALS>>>>>> FUND THEM>>>> stop the breakdown of your pathetic infrastructure.

Stop posting and calling yourself different names.

Get a real office with real people instead of a 100K property in a pathetic, rural part of New York. Get a real address and real people to answer the phones when clients call.

ALLOW clients to call your ESCROW/TITLE etc and find out where they are sending their funds.

You guys are horrible in terms of business... even if you are a scam, it´s poorly run and executed like a bunch of grade school kids.

Get smart...

Email me. I can help fix your infrastructure if you are real. PROOF UP...


by Can't we just all get along? February 29, 2008 12:00 AM

by a.goodfriend4u February 29, 2008 12:00 AM

by a.goodfriend4u February 29, 2008 12:00 AM

Need to ask a question: I was directed to this site because there was a lot of chatter regarding what I beleive to be a scam by empire logging and their associates. I have come up with a bit of information that might be helpful. Does anyone here know who the associates are in Washington state. I have 3 names Ken Mamberg, and Annett and a Janell. They seem to be the processor that have replaced the woman who was origanally process the loan requests. I have talked with one of them and was really pressed to make a loan. I tried to get information from TICOR but was refered back to a number that did not seem to belong to ELT. Any help here please. Is this for real or is it a scam as everyone I have been talking to seems to think it is.
by a.goodfriend4u February 29, 2008 12:00 AM

I called a number that was suppose to be for ELT. An answering machine with a ladies voice picked up and referred to a company called Global Marketing (I think). About 30 minutes later I called back. This time, a lady picked up the phone, answering with ´hello´. It was like I was calling her house! I asked her if this was the number to contact ELT and she told me that it was, and also that she was the processing center. She then gave me the number to Mr. Diamond. It was very weird.


by CBOofTN February 29, 2008 12:00 AM

Has anyone requested their 1% back from ELT?
by tonyab February 29, 2008 12:00 AM

Great question tonyab. Those who have their money in seem to be desperate to believe its real. That type of person isn´t going to ask for their money back. I personally know two people who against my advise, even after telling them everything I know, put money into Ticor. They think because a large company was working with them its fine but are praying daily that its the real deal.

Anyone asked for a refund?

When I interviewed Ticor I asked them if they had investigated Baschmann. They laughed and said no, they are hired to do a job and do not investigate the people who want to use their services.

For CBOofTN - Mike Diamond whom I´ve also talked to, claims to be directly under Baschmann and the only rep authorized to do "the big deals". Mike Diamond has his own funds invested and was supposed to fund 2/15/08. However with the new delays because of "restructuring" he hasn´t funded either.

Same story, different names.



by nonbeliever February 29, 2008 12:00 AM

Agoodfriend4u

It does´nt matter if you think this is a Scam, stop posting peoples name on this thread.
Would you be dumb enough to post your own, I dont think so!

Geeeeeeese people, common sence please!






by A Conscious Mind February 29, 2008 12:00 AM

An answer to "A Conscious Mind" seems everyone else has the privlidge to post names. I was wondering if my information was correct. Global funding was also a name that was given to me. I was just asking the question if these were legitimate names that were known and involved individuals. Best ask here rather than going to the newspaper wouldn´t you say? This will hit the news before long with the comments and suspicions I have read here. Thought we were all concerned about the guy thats going to get cheated or who has been possibly been cheated now.
by a.goodfriend4u February 29, 2008 12:00 AM

I would still like for this to be real (that would be a suprise for a change)

I wired my 1% prepayment to Ticor about 3 weeks ago and just received it back (full amount) in the form of a cashiers check...the only thing I lost was time.

I hope nobody has acually lost their 1%...Has anyone acually lost their 1% deposit?

Thank you
by wmortgages March 1, 2008 12:00 AM

I hope I can present some pertinent details on this situation for those here wondering.

1. Ticor is suing Empire Logging, and Robert Baushmann under the RICO statutes, that´s Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt Organizations, the same statutes created to stop the mob. Serious, serious stuff.

2. Ticor (Im paraphrasing here) claims that ´Bob´ has taken in millions of dollars, over 150 loans, and that he intends to defraud everyone. Ticor demands freezing of the funds as he poses a public menace. He has been transferring the funds to the Bank of China, and sought to purchase property in Panama, (a well-know hide out for financial criminals.) Further, they hacked Ticor´s website to put their info on there to make themselves look legit. Ticor uses VERY strong language in seeking to immediately stop this fraud.

My attorney informs me that Ticor´s attorneys would not DARE put any such in a case summary without substantial PROOF for fear of disbarment. You can take Ticor´s lawsuit under the RICO statutes that everyone who invested has been defrauded.

You can read the actual doc by joining PACER.

by dayviewing March 1, 2008 12:00 AM

*** HOPIUM ***

I am in a line of business where, unfortunately, sometimes I encounter individuals who have been defrauded. I am well familiar with this situation and know several individuals who have been victimized by ´Bob´.

´Hopium addicts´ is the word used in my industry to describe the people we meet who rely on the drug of ´hope´ that this particular scam is different from all the others and will eventually turn out to be a legitimate deal.

I know hopium addicts who have been waiting 5+ YEARS to get their funds, and are convinced ´it´s only another few days, he promised!´ Con-artists take your money, repeatedly, and always promise it will be coming soon, just keep waiting.
Sound familiar?

Hopium addicts will get angry if you try to tell them the truth, because they cling to hope, and cannot admit the truth to themselves or others. It´s denial. Usually, these people get defrauded numerous times over the years, because they can´t ´get clean´ of the idea of magic money.

I am sickened and angered by the actions of Robert Bauschmann et al. who knowingly set out to defraud persons. May he burn in hell. I exclude those ´representatives´ who were taken in themselves, though that will never lessen their feelings of guilt for having helped in the defrauding of their friends, family and church groups.
by dayviewing March 1, 2008 12:00 AM

Hey, looks like ocean tech and or yourmoneyguy have a new name (dayviewing). 1. The Rico act is so widely used as a general term it doesn´t mean much. 2. "Millions taken from over 150 people", what is that about 20k apiece. So at 1% thats about 150-two million dollar loans, WOW. Some people have been waiting 5+ years, Wow again. What are you 16. I dont´t care one way or another, I have no money in this or expectations. I just like a good arguement. Your post are pathetic, if your gonna make up stuff at least make it a little believeable.
by doggone March 1, 2008 12:00 AM

And it looks like a conscious mind has a new name in doggone


by proudpapaof2 March 1, 2008 12:00 AM

Nope, keep guessing though.
by doggone March 1, 2008 12:00 AM

Hopium!
by dead eye March 1, 2008 12:00 AM

doggone,

if you want to argue for "argument" sake, then at least get your story straight. It appears to me that dayviewing´s reference to "hopium" was not specific to that crook, Baschmann, it was a general statement showing that other crook´s, like Baschmann, have been using this technique and luring people into their greed induced state for a long period of time......

and "no", I don´t need to change my moniker when I talk about that crook Baschmann, I am who I am and Bob is a "crook"
by ocean tech March 1, 2008 12:00 AM

My story: My client came to me to borrow the 1% against other collateral. Everything looked pretty good except for what the funds were going to be used for. I felt something was up with the ELT company. I refused to do the loan. Needless to say, they were very upset. That´s when I began researching the company and found out enough info to be sure of my decision.
They ended up getting the loan for the 1% elsewhere. I just hope they can get their money back.
by CBOofTN March 1, 2008 12:00 AM

I agree with can´t we just get along. If this program is legit and he is trying to get his reps licensed then take a few more simple steps. LEAVE the money with a legitament title company until funding. Plus if he has all this money to loan why is this program so poorly ran, at least hire someone from the industry as a consultant. I have no facts just common sense questions, maybe not so common sense for some. I have read all these post at neutral view point. If I had to vote now I would say naysayers have it. To many things done poorly
by doggone March 1, 2008 12:00 AM

Come on folks. We´re all in the business of lending money. We all review credit reports that disclose spending, payment history, judgements and a general pattern of behavior. We take the information, put together puzzle pieces for an underwriter to review for an ultimate decision.

Look at him as someone who wants to BORROW money from you, because thats what he´s doing according to the Prommisory Notes he so freely disburses. He is BORROWING money with the purpose of investing it. Lenders usually want real property colleteral.

With the facts readily available, would you LEND any amount to him without more colleteral than a piece of paper?

Why is this difficult to understand?

by nonbeliever March 1, 2008 12:00 AM

Because those days are over nonbeliever

We´ve had enough of the Lending HOAX of the last 20 years.
Look how many people have been f*^#ed by banks and lending institutions reciently.

Time to look to private lenders to solve our money problems!!!!

Can I hear a big "AMEN"!!!!!


by A Conscious Mind March 1, 2008 12:00 AM

The banks are NOT ´f*^#ing´ people. You are obviously someone who does not understand business. The banks and other lending institutions consider loaning money as selling a product, and they expect to get paid on selling that product, just as any other business would.

If you think you have been ´f*^#ed´ by a bank, I would bet my money that you are someone who got a loan, ended up not paying as agreed, and then are pissed off because you have terrible credit.

You probably don´t even realize that banks have to buy a lot of the money that they lend.

Time to look to private lenders to solve our money problems? That is fine, but only if they are legit.

Hopium is correct!

by CBOofTN March 1, 2008 12:00 AM

Really now, earlier before you blamed big government mystics and sceptics. Now it´s the mortgage companies fault. Sounds like to me you want to blame everyone else. I´ll tell you whats wrong with this country it´s people like you who can´t take responsibilty for yourself. Everythings a hand out for people like you. Right now interest rates are really low. I´m sure you probably have bad credit or you would be getting a loan from a different source but that´s probably someone elses fault to.
by mikoli007 March 1, 2008 12:00 AM

We fell behind on our mortgage last June. We tried since then to work with a program called loss mitigation. Unfortunately, we were always short a document or two. Even if everything was faxed at once, it never all made it through. I have no idea how many hours I spent on the phone, or how many thousand pages I faxed. Our home was supposed to be auctioned on Feb. 25th. We have a family of ten. We can´t easily find housing. On Friday, after we filed chapter 13 our bank finally called and agreed to talk to us. They offered us forbearance for three months. The bank would not give us that in writing. I told them I would call them back and I called my attorney. He told me that the bank was probably not really offering us forbearance since they would not put it in writing. More than likely if we accepted their offer we would have found our home sold at auction on Monday. We chose bankruptcy. Even that doesn´t guarantee us anything. We just bought some time. The banks don´t care what happens to any of us.
by needhomesaved March 1, 2008 12:00 AM

Sorry to hear that you´ve been scammed needhomesaved,

Hopefully some time in the near future this loan program will reach your door.
Unfortunatly that time is uncertain considering the amount of ignorant people trying to squash it before it has a chance to develop.

by A Conscious Mind March 1, 2008 12:00 AM

To needhomesaved -

If you fell behind AFTER an arm loan adjusted you may be eligible for a special loan arrangement through FHA. Contact your representative.

With a Chapter 13, as long as you make all payments on time, you may be able to do a BK 13 Bail out to buy out of the (providing the lenders now offering this are still in business)

I may not believe in Empire Loggin & Timber, but I do believe that bad things happen to good people. Research all your options and set your self up to suceed from here out.
by nonbeliever March 1, 2008 12:00 AM

An Interesting read!
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080301/the_shark_hunters.html


by A Conscious Mind March 1, 2008 12:00 AM

HAS ANYONE ACTUALLY LOST THEIR 1% PREPAYMENT OF INTEREST???

I had money at Ticor and they sent all of it back to me...

HAS ANYONE ACTUALLY LOST THEIR 1% PREPAYMENT OF INTEREST???

Has anyone said they have actually lost their 1%?

...well I´m waiting!

by wmortgages March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

Has anyone said they have actually GOT THEIR LOAN FUNDED?

Can it be verified?

Well I am waiting!
by dead eye March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

dead eye

If I told you, I have recieved funding for my loan, how would you expect me to varify it?
by A Conscious Mind March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

Has anyone forwarded this website to anyone at ELT. Their input would be appreciated? I would also like to here your proof on funding as well conscience. Thanks
by mikoli007 March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

Again, how would you expect me to prove it?????????????

by A Conscious Mind March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

Well I´m waiting!!!
by A Conscious Mind March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

uhhhh, it would be "recorded" publicly????
by ocean tech March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

Thats what I thought!

You would want all my information, which ain´t happnin!

There would be no satisfying you people.

All we would hear is PROVE IT! PROVE IT!
by A Conscious Mind March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

You could give me the 1% to do a loan and when it funds I´ll pay you back. I will give you a promissary note for the 1%. Excluding the way this project is so poorly executed by ELT, overall the loan at 4% and the way it´s structured makes alot more sense then the way it is now. Paying all that interest up front is ridiculus, I mean really, are choices are limited. But this one so far makes no sense. I would like to believe but not yet, it was to poorly executed.
by mikoli007 March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

You could give me the 1% to do a loan and when it funds I´ll pay you back. I will give you a promissary note for the 1%. Excluding the way this project is so poorly executed by ELT, overall the loan at 4% and the way it´s structured makes alot more sense then the way it is now. Paying all that interest up front is ridiculus, I mean really, are choices are limited. But this one so far makes no sense. I would like to believe but not yet, it was to poorly executed. Be wise as serpents and question everything.
by mikoli007 March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

You could give me the 1% to do a loan and when it funds I´ll pay you back. I will give you a promissary note for the 1%. Excluding the way this project is so poorly executed by ELT, overall the loan at 4% and the way it´s structured makes alot more sense then the way it is now. Paying all that interest up front is ridiculus, I mean really, are choices are limited. But this one so far makes no sense. I would like to believe but not yet, it was to poorly executed. Be wise as serpents and question everything.
by mikoli007 March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

You could give me the 1% to do a loan and when it funds I´ll pay you back. I will give you a promissary note for the 1%. Excluding the way this project is so poorly executed by ELT, overall the loan at 4% and the way it´s structured makes alot more sense then the way it is now. Paying all that interest up front is ridiculus, I mean really, are choices are limited. But this one so far makes no sense. I would like to believe but not yet, it was to poorly executed. Be wise as serpents and question everything.
by mikoli007 March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

You could give me the 1% to do a loan and when it funds I´ll pay you back. I will give you a promissary note for the 1%. Excluding the way this project is so poorly executed by ELT, overall the loan at 4% and the way it´s structured makes alot more sense then the way it is now. Paying all that interest up front is ridiculus, I mean really, are choices are limited. But this one so far makes no sense. I would like to believe but not yet, it was to poorly executed. Be wise as serpents and question everything.
by mikoli007 March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

You could give me the 1% to do a loan and when it funds I´ll pay you back. I will give you a promissary note for the 1%. Excluding the way this project is so poorly executed by ELT, overall the loan at 4% and the way it´s structured makes alot more sense then the way it is now. Paying all that interest up front is ridiculus, I mean really, are choices are limited. But this one so far makes no sense. I would like to believe but not yet, it was to poorly executed. Be wise as serpents and question everything.
by mikoli007 March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

You could give me the 1% to do a loan and when it funds I´ll pay you back. I will give you a promissary note for the 1%. Excluding the way this project is so poorly executed by ELT, overall the loan at 4% and the way it´s structured makes alot more sense then the way it is now. Paying all that interest up front is ridiculus, I mean really, are choices are limited. But this one so far makes no sense. I would like to believe but not yet, it was to poorly executed. Be wise as serpents and question everything.
by mikoli007 March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

You could give me the 1% to do a loan and when it funds I´ll pay you back. I will give you a promissary note for the 1%. Excluding the way this project is so poorly executed by ELT, overall the loan at 4% and the way it´s structured makes alot more sense then the way it is now. Paying all that interest up front is ridiculus, I mean really, are choices are limited. But this one so far makes no sense. I would like to believe but not yet, it was to poorly executed. Be wise as serpents and question everything.
by mikoli007 March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

Sorry, don´t know why it did that so may times.
by mikoli007 March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

To tell you the truth, if I was to loan out millions of $$$$$$$$, I would´nt be very good at it either.

I think shortly, all this will get ironed out!!!

by A Conscious Mind March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

If I told you, I have recieved funding for my loan, how would you expect me to varify it?
by A Conscious Mind March 2, 2008

A faxed copy of the HUD-1 or possibly a copy of the recorded deed of trust would work.
by Scrumptious Beach Warrior March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

If your loan is funded, it is public record. Need state and county, book and page...

by dead eye March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

The hole point is, I don´t know you from ADAM!

Why would I give you that information?

I WOULD´NT!!!!!!!!!!
by A Conscious Mind March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!

by A Conscious Mind March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

You asked...
"Again, how would you expect me to prove it?????????????"
by A Conscious Mind March 2, 2008

There is no other acceptable proof, is there?



by Scrumptious Beach Warrior March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

THATS WHAT I´VE BEEN TRYING TO SAY ALL ALONG!

Your not going to get what you want here! Nobody that has a loan comming or funded, cares what you want. We dont need or want to prove anything to you.........DUHHHH!

by A Conscious Mind March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

I attempted to apply for a small loan the other day, kind of to get involved and see what all the hype is about. I was told by the reps I spoke with that empire is not accepting any more apps until they get the first two groups of loans funded after they solve some issues.(I really didn´t know what they meant by groups I just assumed they do them in groups of so many). Anyways they did say they could take my app but not the money although there really was no point, As it would not be processed anyways until everything was taken care of. (This is just my experience and am not in any way on anyones side here)
by loanguy76 March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

First of all unconscience, if it´s public record what are you so worried about. Think of all those people who want to believe but everything sounds to fishy. You gotta admit this is all screwed up in terms of how to do things unless your a goverment robot. Second this is supposedly a humanitarian project to help people save thier homes who don´t have much money and can possibly get some extra money to pay off bills. If thier as broke as me (my fault, not the mortgage companies or anyones else)where do we get the 1% to do this loan. Why not take it at close, noone has give any explanation why. Not them, not you, noone. All we here from you is "Your not going to get what you want here! Nobody that has a loan comming or funded, cares what you want. We dont need or want to prove anything to you.........DUHHHH!" Here´s another one by you."The thing is Pres.
We dont care if you know about this or not......you want proof....tuff.....you aint gettin it!

Anybody else wants proof....tuff.....you aint gettin it.....you dont deserve it.....go without your loans.....you blew it....say goodbye!!!!" Talkin about government robots and mystics, you sound like one. Wanting people to BLINDLY give up 1% in the hopes of getting a loan.


by doggone March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

I agree, people just want a little proof. At least with a reputable title company there is a smidgen of security and legalness to this. Hire another title company to help you do things right and above board if you are so rich. Plus if you are a christian company like I as lead to believe, be transparent.
by mikoli007 March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

Deadeye. Conscious cannot give you what he does not have so cut him some slack.(sarcasm)


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

THATS WHAT I´VE BEEN TRYING TO SAY ALL ALONG!
by A Conscious Mind March 2, 2008

You should quit "TRYING" and start "doing". If you are afraid or unable to offer valid proof, just say so. Quit asking how to prove it.

You look silly.
by Scrumptious Beach Warrior March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

You should be able to get the info. you want from your rep.
Not here!
by A Conscious Mind March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

We don´t know who the rep is. If we don´t trust the company, how can we trust the rep.

We ask for the info here because this is where it is being discussed.
by dead eye March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

Enough said then!

Again people, if you have a loan request in, be patient, wait for your rep to contact you!

Please do not look for answers here, you will just get more confused.

As for those of you that want Information here, sorry, hopefully a friend or rep. will contact you in the near future. Thats the only way you will get information.
Thats the only way it can be controlled.

I´ve had enough of this site. Time to say goodbye.....:-)
by A Conscious Mind March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

Enough said then!

Again people, if you have a loan request in, be patient, wait for your rep to contact you!

Please do not look for answers here, you will just get more confused.

As for those of you that want Information here, sorry, hopefully a friend or rep. will contact you in the near future. Thats the only way you will get information.
Thats the only way it can be controlled.

I´ve had enough of this site. Time to say goodbye.....:-)
by A Conscious Mind March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

I dont think many of us are confused. We have been around long enough and are smart enough to know a festering pile of horseshit when we see it. Scams abound.
by JustplainMarvin March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

Can you pleeeaaasssseee try to shed some light on WHY the 1% upfront and not at close. Please look at my previous post. I´m really not trying to be difficult. If this is really legit they can wait till close. Again Conscious look at my previous post or are you a rep who just wants to make an upfront fee and scam someone also.
by doggone March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

Right now, 1% will be given to certain lawyer firm in New York which is more safer than the title company. If this law firm make messy then you can complain to the lawyer state board or assocition and they will lose their license.

However, I wish that Empire waived the 1% so that this will make true.

Please take a note that Empire is not a lender but just a private investor so there will be no closing costs involved. However, I am curirous where did Empire get the money. Maybe thru foundation?

if you want to apply for the empire loan, you got to apply thru a representative or mortgage broker anywhere and then turn the application to Empire. these deals are dead and these are perfect to individual with bad credit,late payments or about to be foreclosed. 4% interest for 30 year fixed is good if this will go through.

Did anybody close already?
by richardegar March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

I am a referral agent for 3MC equities in Illinois but there is no guarantee for EMpire, so if you are interested email me at ilmortgagehomeloan@yahoo.com

I am only dealing in the state of Illinois.
Illinois Residential Mortgage Licensee!
by ilmortgagehomeloan March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

To richardegar - What? Don´t know where you´re getting your info - but its wrong!

You do NOT - I REPEAT!!! DO NOT!!! apply to a mortgage broker anywhere and then they submit to Empire. I´d loose my license!!!

They claim their attorney is in Washington (see above posts for attorney name)

They DO claim there are closing costs for appraisals.

No one has funded or they would be pushing us all over with proof and rubbing it in our face just to be right. And any moral "humanitarian" individual would also be willing to show their proof so that they could help others.

ilmortgagehomeloan - This is NOT the place to advertise your business.



by nonbeliever March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

If Nobody actually lost their 1% how could this be a scam?

I have asked many, many times over and over again and nobody has actually said they have lost their 1%.
by wmortgages March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

The 1% will always be needed...the private loans cannot be funded without it...nobody on this site actually knows how these private loans works and why they will work...just remember that when loans are funded for the people that have their 1% with the current escrow company, I was right and you nay-sayers (that never even lost your 1%) was wrongggggg! ...lets hear your best nay-sayers
by wmortgages March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

IT IS ONLY AS SCAM IF ANYONE LOST THEIR 1%...AND THERE IS LEGAL DOCUMENTATION WITH THE FBI THAT NOT ONE CLIENT HAS LOST THEIR 1%...EVERY PENNY IS ACCOUNTED FOR!
by wmortgages March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

what kind of a naive person are you wmortgages?:

"IT IS ONLY AS SCAM IF ANYONE LOST THEIR 1%.."



here´s one way the scam can work:

the crook, Baschmann, collects fee´s of 1% for an indefinite period of time, at least from September through current. Let´s say he´s collected million´s of dollars in 1% fee´s. If he, the crook, Baschmann, is saavy as he claims in forex trading and other types of private placements, he is able to take the million´s and use those as margins to leverage much much more dollars and even if it yields an 1/8pt a few times a day, for a month or more, he´s collected a tremendous amount of money at "other" peoples expense ( the people who contributed the 1% ). And now that he´s been exposed. He´ll most likely return the 1% to all the unsuspecting people that had contributed to his little scheme. He´s made a lot of "interest" and returns the principle to the people who have been waiting for all this time! "no harm / no foul"

just a thought......



by ocean tech March 2, 2008 12:00 AM

wmortgages

You are either the same/bigger idiot than conscious.

If Nobody actually lost their 1% how could this be a scam?

I have asked many, many times over and over again and nobody has actually said they have lost their 1%.
by wmortgages March 2, 2008

And I have asked many many times to show me proof this program exists. Or show me proof something has funded. Yet all we get from you ELT payroll people is the run around. But by all means keep it coming. What you are giving is proof that this "program" is nothing but a pile of horsesh-t!!


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 3, 2008 12:00 AM

Well, this board just keep on entertaining! Always fun to check in and see what folks are saying.

On another note, there is a new link out there showing what looks like a new ELT website. Looks like it is brand new and in the middle of editing.

For your viewing pleasure:

https://www.globalsolutions4all.com/Home_Page.html

Adds a little bit more to the credibilty scale that there is a website going up and being worked on.

It at least starts to look like a company is coming together.

Still hard to say.

Just thought I would let you all know what I am seeing.



by lett0 March 3, 2008 12:00 AM

https://www.globalsolutions4all.com/Testimonials.html


This company isn´t coming together for crap. Most of the testimonials are from "people" that say that they understand there have been delays but they are looking forward to closing on their loan or people saying they are hearing negative things said about ELT and want to stand by them.

My absolute favorite is the lady who thanked them for allowing her to buy a new phone.

By the way, anyone can create this type of website This doesn´t prove a thing

This just keeps getting better and better


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 3, 2008 12:00 AM

I don´t disagree with you Pres. I´m just putting the info out there for folks to see.

I understand that anyone can create a website. I could make one like that in about an hour.

But I will also acknowledge that this would be the normal process that someone would follow if they WERE trying to get legit and do something the right way.

Most websites look like crap when they first go up.

If I was running a scam I don´t know that I would be taking out webhosting and making e-trails that could be documented later in a court of law. So that part I find interesting.

I am just saying.....it is STARTING to take on the APPEARANCES of a legit company.

Still no proof at all. I am in agreement with you on that.

Im still in the "show me" mode until someone does.
by lett0 March 3, 2008 12:00 AM

The first testimonial reads like an ad.. What a crock.

Went from a free web site to a cheap web site..

Bought domain by proxy to cover their trail..

http://www.completewhois.com/cgi2/whois.cgi
by dead eye March 3, 2008 12:00 AM

Just want to make sure everyone gets this FACT, verified, in person with the manager at Ticor/Puyallup:

All funds are/were distributed to Baschmann´s private account at the Bank of China in New York. IMMEDIATELY. The money is not sitting in an escrow account.

If Ticor is indeed refunding fees, it must be on their dollar.
by nonbeliever March 3, 2008 12:00 AM

LMAO @ My absolute favorite is the lady who thanked them for allowing her to buy a new phone.
by bigorosco March 3, 2008 12:00 AM

I received a cashiers from Ticor...a full refund of my funds... who to believe who to believe
by wmortgages March 3, 2008 12:00 AM

So why did you get your 1% back?? Did you not trust them to fund the loan?? Just curious. You seem to be such a strong proponent for ELT earlier.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 3, 2008 12:00 AM

wmortgages, are you going to send your money back to the lawyer and try again? What state are you in and who was your rep if you don´t mind sharing. I can never get a hold of the rep I used but I never sent in 1% either but I do have all the paper work. Why do you think they need the 1% upfront instead of at close?
by doggone March 3, 2008 12:00 AM

well that´s one less 1% to be factored into this great scheme!!
by ocean tech March 3, 2008 12:00 AM

HERE´S THE PROBLEM;

THE ONE THING BOB CAN´T CONTROL IS THE TIME FACTOR...AND WE ALL KNOW THAT AMERICANS ARE BIG BABIES THAT HAVE NO PATIENCE AND THEY HAVE TO COMPLAIN WHEN THINGS DON´T MOVE ACCORDING.

KEEP IN MIND...NOBODY HAS LOST ANY MONEY, NOT 1 PENNY.

P.S. IF ANYBODY NEEDS ME 2, I CAN HAND DELIVER ANY NEW CLIENTS 1% DIRECTLY TO ROBERT...JUST LET ME KNOW AND I WILL GIVE YOU MY WIRING INFORMATION FOR MY BANK IN Nigeria...and I´ll need 365 days to close!

Ha ha ha suckers!


by wmortgages March 3, 2008 12:00 AM

WHY ?

IF THIS IS A SCAM THEN WHY IS THE FBI STILL ALLOWING ROBERT B. TO RECEIVE 1% PREPAYMENTS INTO A REPUTABLE WELL KNOW ESCROW COMPANY? THEY KNOW EVERYTHING...AND THE BANK OF CHINA IS IN NEW YORK, JUST LIKE BANK OF AMERICA, NOT OFFSHORE...THEY HAVE A RECORD OF EVERY PENNY EXCHANGED, BUT YET THEY ARE STILL LETTING HIM MOVE FORWARD.

WHY WOULD THEY LET SUCH A SCAM CONTINUE...OH I KNOW, THEY MUST BE IN ON IT...YA THATS IT...lets call the Hardy boys, maybe they can help!
by wmortgages March 3, 2008 12:00 AM

I don´t get it wmortgages, are for against ELT? Either way you sure have an odd way of doing it.
by mikoli007 March 3, 2008 12:00 AM

wow this is a long thread. can anyone tell me if it is worth my time to start at the beginning and read it all?


by rspringer March 3, 2008 12:00 AM

Grapevine Gulag

So why did you get your 1% back?? Did you not trust them to fund the loan?? Just curious. You seem to be such a strong proponent for ELT earlier.

out of my control...ticor sent it back with a letter stating they are no longer doing business with Empire and that if I have any questions contact the fbi number provided for further details...I did and now i will become a "johnny come lately" and wait and see...the fbi has not shut Robert down and to what i was told are fully aware of his project and are allowing him to proceed
by wmortgages March 3, 2008 12:00 AM

here´s the story:

scammer: ELT - Robert Baschmann Jr.

scammed: 1% contributors - given as downpayment on a "new" type of loan ( millions of dollars gone to escrow and subsequently sent elsewhere?! )
by ocean tech March 3, 2008 12:00 AM

I don´t get it wmortgages, are for against ELT?

by mikoli007 March 3, 2008


No, I not against it, i haven´t lost any money, i got a full refund and i can´t get anyone else to state that they have...I´m just joining the mob and being a wise guy.

by wmortgages March 3, 2008 12:00 AM

WHY ?

IF THIS IS A SCAM THEN WHY IS THE FBI STILL ALLOWING ROBERT B. TO RECEIVE 1% PREPAYMENTS INTO A REPUTABLE WELL KNOW ESCROW COMPANY? THEY KNOW EVERYTHING...AND THE BANK OF CHINA IS IN NEW YORK, JUST LIKE BANK OF AMERICA, NOT OFFSHORE...THEY HAVE A RECORD OF EVERY PENNY EXCHANGED, BUT YET THEY ARE STILL LETTING HIM MOVE FORWARD.

WHY WOULD THEY LET SUCH A SCAM CONTINUE...OH I KNOW, THEY MUST BE IN ON IT...YA THATS IT...lets call the Hardy boys, maybe they can help!
by wmortgages March 3, 2008 12:00 AM

I have been reading this thread ever since I was told about Empire Logging and the "4% loan with 1% down before it is processed."

When we originally found out about this loan it was a "humanitarian loan" but was made available to the general public through some sort of loop hole created by President Bush. When it was first introduced it required a $25K fee which was taken from the equity of your home. In other words to get this loan a person would take out a 25K home equity loan, pay this to Empire then start the mortgage process to refinance and secure the 4% loan. All of a sudden people started cutting out the "middle man" and tried to seal the deal using the 1% down.

I first came interested after a mortgage friend had checked into it and thought it to be legit. I contacted a gentlemen by the name of Michael Earl (aka Mike Oscully on caller ID) who told me how the loan would work. We filled out the application via email (very generic) in about 7-10 days they would call back with an approval, he assured me the only way we wouldn´t be approved is if our name wasn´t on title. I found that odd that they don´t care if the owner can afford the loan but whatever. He then went on to tell me that I would need to send 1% of the total loan and it would be held in escrow at Ticor Title in Puyallup which conveniently is our hometown. After getting off the phone with him I looked on the web and ran across this thread which made me wonder so I called Ticor who referred me to the FBI agent in Seattle and the law firm they had secured in New York. Through the little info I was able to get from ticor, ONE (questionable) loan was closed since Empire hired them. (family, friend of empire, you get the idea) I spoke to the FBI agent (Hillary Sallee 206-262-2434) in Seattle and she was concerned as to how much info I had given Empire, we hadn´t yet. I eventually sent in my application without soc #´s knowing that any reputible company wanting to do business with me would need my soc to get the job done. I heard nothing back from them. I called Empire 877-336-8367 to see what the status of my application was only to get a message that says "please enter your security code", I played with the message trying to get to speak to someone and was unsucessful. I called Michael Earl 865-286-9301 and he didn´t answer nor did he return my calls. A friend of mine had been dealing with Michael Diamond, when he called Michaels number today a woman answered and notified him they were no longer dealing with residential loans. I have called the lawyer Stuart M. Ainsley (206-780-9024), who doesn´t answer his phone either, to verify that they are using him to "legalize" close the loans.
What I find is that although the stories coming from the FBI and Empire are told the same it´s just that, a story. We refused to send them any personal information that was damaging to us and I never would have sent them 1%.
Good luck to anyone who is hoping to save their home via this avenue but I would recommend you take a different route. I honestly think nothing good can come from this.
by just_another_1 March 3, 2008 12:00 AM

This is the application just as it was sent to me. Look real to you? My 4 year old could make a better looking professional application.
When I saw the email@billionairegroup I was immediately skeptical.



Email or fax Application to:
eltproject@billionairegroup.net
Fax: 518.689.6886 Phone: 888.672.9222
Regional Mgr: Michael Diamond Ltd

PROSPECTIVE CLIENT APPLICATION FORM

Date:
Name:
Tax ID #/ SSN
Birth Date (mm/dd/yy)
Residence Address:
City:
State:
Zip:
Property address:
Telephone:
Email:
Personal Income:
Personal Bank:
Property Value:
Existing Mortgages:
Mortgage Lender:
Requested Loan Amount:
Type of Loan: (ie, Refi, New Purch. Const.)
Are you presently prepared to submit your 1% deposit?
Referred by:



Empire Logging & Timber, LLC.
eMail: eltproject@billionairegroup.net
Fax: 518.689.6886

Applicant Instructions & Check List:


FILL OUT LOAN APPLICATION.

RETURN COMPLETED FORM BY EMAIL or FAX.

APPLICANT WILL RECEIVE CONFIRMATION LETTER,
PAYMENT SCHEDULE, PROMISSORY NOTE AND PREPAYMENT INSTRUCTIONS.

SIGN AND RETURN CONFIRMATION LETTER,
PROMISSORY NOTE AND THANK YOU LETTER (Via Instructions)

CLIENT RECEIVES VIA US Mail DOCUMENTS FROM LAW FIRM;
COMMITMENT LETTER, ESCROW NUMBER AND SCHEDULES.

CLOSING AND FUNDING DATE 65-70 DAYS AFTER RECEIPT
OF SIGNED DOCUMENTS AND 1% PREPAID.
by just_another_1 March 3, 2008 12:00 AM

Thanks for the input just_another_1, I believe you made a wise decision....

I do remember seeing something about a large upfront fee....
by dead eye March 3, 2008 12:00 AM

I agree just another 1. I think it was a wise decision. Thank you for your input.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 3, 2008 12:00 AM

Thanks for just_another-1´s input. As I said in a previous post, something had funded in King County, so I searched for records with Empire Logging. Here´s the link to the resluting record:

http://146.129.54.93:8193/docdetail.asp?id=wODAxg%3D%21hb%03%17MjAC7VQLDT%21e9DE1OTbFCY8MzAwM&ms=0&cabinet=opr&pg=&id2=S8zMv%2F%218%21%03%0FM%2E%21ISlZDoDA4%21HQ0jC8yM

Is this proof that a loan has funded? Deed of Trust from Granted from LaBare to ELT?



by wwr March 3, 2008 12:00 AM

Thanks for just_another-1´s input. As I said in a previous post, something had funded in King County, so I searched for records with Empire Logging. Here´s the link to the resluting record:

http://146.129.54.93:8193/docdetail.asp?id=wODAxg%3D%21hb%03%17MjAC7VQLDT%21e9DE1OTbFCY8MzAwM&ms=0&cabinet=opr&pg=&id2=S8zMv%2F%218%21%03%0FM%2E%21ISlZDoDA4%21HQ0jC8yM

Is this proof that a loan has funded? Deed of Trust granted from Labare to ELT?

by wwr March 3, 2008 12:00 AM

I see a lot of ELT power going on in Washington:
- sole attorney in Kitsap County (just west of Seattle) handling all ELT escrow that won´t answer his phone
- Tico Title in Puyallup (Pierce County - just south of Seattle) that is advising on the "scam"
- FBI Agent on the case in Seattle
- the only "closing" that I have heard of to date in King County (Seattle)

I think Ocean Tech may be on to something. Bauschmann may be leveraging the borrowed money to trade on margin (with timber contracts - my add), then IF he is successful he will only fund the loans he wants to depending on the amount of dough he´s made.

Ocean Tech - sounds humanitarian to me .. can this be wrong? ;) LOL
by wwr March 3, 2008 12:00 AM

I don´t know if anyone thought of it, but I checked county records in the four counties around and including Seattle and just that one that came up on the earlier link:
Document Detail:
Instrument Number: 20080130001598
Sequence #: 0
Date Received: 01/30/2008 3:00:59 PM
Document Type: DEED OF TRUST
Book: 000
Page: 000
Image: Not scanned or not available online
Grantors
LABARE, FRANK
LABARE, MICHELE
Grantees
EMPIRE LOGGING & TIMBER LLC
Legal Records
# Plat Lot 1 KATESRIDGE
Tax Parcel 3793500650


by wwr March 3, 2008 12:00 AM

Lemme see. I´m only a mortgage broker but maybe I can do the math.

Tax parcel 3793500650 at 26312 233RD AV SE, Maple Valley
Recently sold for $364,900 according to www.zillow.com

So far, conservatively speaking, let´s say 200 "investors" lending Empire money at a deposit of 1%. At an average loan amount of $350,000 minimum (Remember it seem smaily in King County and there were those commercial deals - the bigger the better as I was told by Big Bob himself - so this is a low ball median)

350 X 1% X 200 + 700k

That´s $700k collected. And just one loan - for an undisclosed amount, perhaps to show a funding on the record. Hardly proof this is legit.

I´ve also heard several "twists" to this Baschmann specific loan, anywhere from a required Nevada Corporation, to other "origination" fees. Indicitive of an unprofessional uncontroled and non-transparent idiot who by trying to control and intimidate his "Reps" and their unsuspecting clients actually lost control to greed.

Wondering if the funded loan is a Rep, a relative or perhaps an alias...... LaBare aka Baschmann.......

by nonbeliever March 4, 2008 12:00 AM

Family of Rep
by wwr March 4, 2008 12:00 AM

How do you know this wwr?
by nonbeliever March 4, 2008 12:00 AM

I went to ticor and put my 1% down, and also got many calls from ticor about the loan. well guess what? i also was told a few weeks ago that ticor is no longer doing ELTs loans, and said i have to get my money back from ELT. my money order said ticor, and they still wont refund my money.... i been in contact with ELTs agents, and they keep giving me the run around about my refund. if a man is a billion dollar man, then why is he taking my 2,900.00???????????

TERREAL JOHNSON


by TERREALJOHNSON March 4, 2008 12:00 AM

It is amazing once a lot of these facts and stories came out, defenders like conscious and others have disappeared.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 4, 2008 12:00 AM

Because they can´t answer simple questions. They have to keep saying " As for those of you that want Information here, sorry, hopefully a friend or rep. will contact you in the near future. Thats the only way you will get information.
Thats the only way it can be controlled". Why do they need to control the truth. I think she is an angry person. At least whoever it is writes like a female.

by mikoli007 March 4, 2008 12:00 AM

So, I´ve been told that even though we were approved for this loan they are now withdrawing all residential loans as of yesterday. Here´s the deal--we filed chapter 13 about a week and a half ago. We owe between debt and mortgages about $210,000. We believe as is our home is worth between $300,000 to $335,000. Our house needs work done so we don´t qualify for a traditional loan. We are a family of ten so if we lose our home we will be homeless. Does anyone have any suggestions? We have about $3200 in monthly income and are working on improving that. Send any ideas to pleasesaveourhouse@gmail.com.
by needhomesaved March 4, 2008 12:00 AM

needhomesaved - Please check your email address listed. I´ve sent you a copy of an email I just sent to Baschmann (with his email string to me telling me to keep out of his business) You can contact him directly if he´s still using that address.... I pasted your responses and told him this was the chance to redeem himself. Please keep us all posted.

For you and you alone I pray he will help.
by nonbeliever March 4, 2008 12:00 AM

needhomesaved - Please check your email address listed. I´ve sent you a copy of an email I just sent to Baschmann (with his email string to me telling me to keep out of his business) You can contact him directly if he´s still using that address.... I pasted your responses and told him this was the chance to redeem himself. Please keep us all posted.

For you and you alone I pray he will help.
by nonbeliever March 4, 2008 12:00 AM

Does anyone know the legal ramifications of the checks and wires being made out to Ticor?
by nonbeliever March 4, 2008 12:00 AM

nonbeliever - how do I know it was a family member? The Rep told me.
by wwr March 4, 2008 12:00 AM

thread #450


well, it looks like Bob took care of "one" loan anyways. Good job Bob, glad to see you can actually perform, I guess a family member is a good incentive.....but how about all those people who "really" needed your help? you know, the one´s that are going into foreclosure???

you´re one hell of a humanitarian...

I rest my case.
by ocean tech March 5, 2008 12:00 AM

Seeking Info:
Has anyone closed on a loan this week, heard from their rep, or has anyone got any more information as to what is going on. I heard that some loans were going to be funded this week. Just checking in with you all.
by dou69 March 5, 2008 12:00 AM

No, no one has funded. I was told the same thing
by lg123 March 5, 2008 12:00 AM

I spoke to my rep yesterday and he assured me that this program is real. I cautioned very tactfully that if I was to lose my 1%, there is only one person I´ll be going after!

by jimbo_hansen March 5, 2008 12:00 AM

I was almost a rep, or an independant consultant I guess would be the proper term, but because things didn´t add up I decited to wait because if this was a scam I didn´t want to be involved and rip anyone off. The rep that I spoke to is a trusted friend of a family member, and he had checked w/ Ticor to make sure they were working w/ ELT and they were and had closed a deal. So if this falls apart I believe he was not a knowing participent. My family member had sent his diposit 3 or 4 weeks ago and received it back as of today. He was told by his rep to hold off to see whats going to happen. So in my opinion ELT was not out to dilibertly rip anyone off, but I don´t think things went according to plan. I do hope they get things worked out.


by almost a rep March 5, 2008 12:00 AM

I am selling swampland in Arizona. All I need is 1% of the loan amount sent to an account n the Cayman Islands and I promise I will fund in 4-5 days of receiving the 1%.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 5, 2008 12:00 AM

You people are so intertaining! I can see the appeal now!

Drama Queens!

by A Conscious Mind March 5, 2008 12:00 AM

This board has gone from a very large number of messages a day to just a few. I guess that means the jury´s back. People have voted with their feet.
by wwr March 5, 2008 12:00 AM

Check out Web www.globalsolutions4all.com

Currently added and seems valid.

I recieved my check back and waiting to hear from broker.

Should hear back by Friday.
by waitingtosee March 5, 2008 12:00 AM

by a.goodfriend4u March 6, 2008 12:00 AM

I have a friend whom received her money back. They want her to send it back to a bank to an attorney with an escrow number reference. She is asking my opinion. I´m still very skeptical though.
by another March 6, 2008 12:00 AM

Isn,t it funny that they have testamony about how happy the people are that got loans and we can´t find but one thats closed? They were relatives so said on this site.

Isn´t it strange that they say who are not agents but won´t say who are.

Anyone can do what they have done with a website. Makes it all the more unbeleivable nad not legit.

By the way C-mind Look at all of the name posted and you chastized me. Are you an shill of Bobs? I think so.....maybe you Bob!!
by a.goodfriend4u March 6, 2008 12:00 AM

NO,
I simply look at a glass of water and see it as half full, instead of half empty!
I give people the benefit of the dought.
I dont loose my job, then hang around in the parking lot and try to take all other employees with me!

I´m not a Value destroyer, I´m a Value producer!

PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by A Conscious Mind March 6, 2008 12:00 AM

Doesn´t matter how you view the glass it´s still the same amount. What matters is how choose to react to the situation.Facts are facts no matter what. But easier said then done. Anyone close yet?
by doggone March 6, 2008 12:00 AM

an unconscious mind,

I call you that because that is exactly how you are perceiving everything!! What part of:

" how many loans can be ´proven´ to have been closed and be verified????"

ANSWER: One ( funding to a relative )

since September????.......

this is the "program" you´re holding your breath for???

you can´t be that stupid?!!.......you´re a shill...or Bob!!



by ocean tech March 6, 2008 12:00 AM

Just because you know of only one loan funded, does´nt mean there are´nt more! I know there have been more, many more. However, will someone come forward to prove it?
Not likely, they don´t want to become Canon Fodder!
And they are private people and its their business, not yours!
So believe what you want, this thread will not effect things one way or the other. Unless your waiting for your loan to be processed and you listen to the Nay sayers here that just wanna steal your dream!

You watch, when or if someone on this thread says they have been paid and submits proof, it will be said that they were forced to pay by the Nay sayers.
Mark my words!!!!!!!!!

by A Conscious Mind March 6, 2008 12:00 AM

From 200 posts ago I will say the same thing ACM. There is no proof because you have no proof. People have brought to the table 1 funding while you or any other bob cronie has brought nothing except wait and see or just miss out. If you do not realize this is scam by now, then either you are on ELT´s payroll or you are just that naive. I cannot believe it is the latter.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 6, 2008 12:00 AM

No Pres.
Not on anyones payroll and not naive. Thanks for helping me spell that!
Could it be that your just lousy at finding information.
Just because you cant find proof does´nt mean it does´nt exist! Why cant you admit that?

by A Conscious Mind March 6, 2008 12:00 AM

ACM. Here is what I have seen

Ticor is suing ELT.
1 loan funded
1% UPFRONT FEE
A hush hush program
NO business listing for ELT
People who have not funded since they have been with this since September (6 months)
Everything recorded on a promisory note

Proof for ELT:

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

So which way do you think I should decide?? I mean I have tried giving the benefit of the doubt by I have nothing to prove otherwise.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 6, 2008 12:00 AM

Ticor is suing ELT.....does´nt prove anything! = noproof
1 loan funded......not true but have no proof! = noproof
1% UPFRONT FEE......so,pay it or dont get loan! = noproof
A hush hush program...or missinformation gets passed and you get greaf from a thread like this! = noproof
No Businee listing for ELT.......SO! = noproof
People who have not been funded...thank Ticor! = noproof
Everything funded on a promisory note.....So! = noproof

Your right, if I were you I would´nt believe it either!!!

The fact remains, all we can do is wait and see!

I admit, I´m opperating with much more info. than you! However I am still not at liberty to share any of it!
That is what I ment when I said you wont get any
information from this thread!

ACM

by A Conscious Mind March 6, 2008 12:00 AM

500

Jus´ sayin´

by Informedisback March 6, 2008 12:00 AM

I am poat # 500. YEAH!!!

Actually I will be getting some information directly from a source at Empire. That way I can judge for myself about this awesome program. SSSSSSSHHHHHHH!! Don´t tell anyone!!!


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 6, 2008 12:00 AM

Well, it is so refreshing to hear that you have been operating with more information than you care to release. That you are not at liberty to share and that this thread holds absolutely no information.

HMM! Makes me feel very confident that this is a legitimate venture.

If your interested I know of a great IPO offering, but sadly I am not at liberty to share nor do I have authority to release so you will just have to wait and see.


by marie3328 March 6, 2008 12:00 AM

You suck IIB. I was suppose to be 500. LOL. You bum.
by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 6, 2008 12:00 AM

LOL
by A Conscious Mind March 6, 2008 12:00 AM

Good grief!
by TennesseeTuxedo March 6, 2008 12:00 AM

GEESSSE!

What ever you do, dont look to me as proof that this thing is ligit!



by A Conscious Mind March 6, 2008 12:00 AM

I have spent the last hour reading this thread. OMG!! I have only been away from the Vine about a week and this is what I have to come back to. So you are telling me a logging and timber company is getting into the lending business??

SO maybe the stories of Walmart Mortgage is not such a far-fetched idea.

1 word....DAYUM!!!


by Jim Kinley March 6, 2008 12:00 AM

I know I am not getting anything from you ACM. Or anyone else for that matter. I want to see how this "great" program works myself. Who better to go to than an authorized rep from ELT to let me know.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 6, 2008 12:00 AM

Why would any company or person that is having it´s name dragged through the mud not want info to be put out there that would refute it. Also ACM just how do you know more then one loan has funded? Do you know first hand or through someone else. This whole Iv´e got a secret makes it look really really bad for ELT so if you are trying to help them, your not. I was on the fence on what to believe for along time, I even know someone who got thier money refunded. Now after listening to you i´m for the naysayers. To many negatives and not one possitive. What proof do you have? You don´t have to give names or vital info just share what proof. Tell us if you really work for them at least that would add more credibility then you have now. Thanks
by mikoli007 March 6, 2008 12:00 AM

"GEESSSE!
What ever you do, dont look to me as proof that this thing is ligit!
by A Conscious Mind March 6, 2008"



hahahaaaahaahaaahaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ocean tech March 6, 2008 12:00 AM

Sounds smart to me Pres.

by A Conscious Mind March 6, 2008 12:00 AM

Ok Mikoli,

I´ll take you for your word! If I´m not helping then I geuss its better for me to shut-up!!!

I´m not an authorised rep. for ELT, I cant speek for them!


I just know that this is not a SCAM and I will defend them the best I can. But I will no longer try to speek for them......OK!

by A Conscious Mind March 6, 2008 12:00 AM

Thank you, I´m not trying to be difficult. But I have asked many simple questions that have not been answered or even attempted to be answered. Would you try to think of a way to answer the ones in my last post. Like I said I do know someone who recieved thier 1% back. I don´t know if TICOR took it upon themselves to send it back or was instructed by ELT or if ELT sent it back. I myself have an app in but have only been contacted twice since this came about with little info. In fact they haven´t asked for anything. It seems I´ve been lost in the shuffle somehow but I do know they were looking for my info. Have you been funded or have an app in? Do you personally know someone? You have to admit if you weren´t "in the know" this seems like a scam, right, at least admit that. Thanks again
by mikoli007 March 6, 2008 12:00 AM

Mikoli,

Go to this website: www.globalsolutions4all.com
Now, I´m in the process of checking this website out to see if is ligit. The reason I say that is because my rep. was not aware of it. You never know what some people are willing to do to gather info.
Let me check it out first.....OK!
After, go ther and click on Updates. There is an email address there, give them all the info. you can, and tell them you are ready for your loan to be processed.
Then simply wait for them to contact you.......OK!
I talked with my rep. today. ELT did not like the response they recieved from private citizens so they stopped the residential loan program.
You still should be able to recieve your loan but I think youll have to make an effort! Savy!

ACM

by A Conscious Mind March 6, 2008 12:00 AM

I have. Thanks
by mikoli007 March 6, 2008 12:00 AM

A conscience mind

How r u checking if the web site is legit?


by waitingtosee March 7, 2008 12:00 AM

waitingtosee,

Just checking with my rep. who will prolly contact ELT!
by A Conscious Mind March 7, 2008 12:00 AM

Who is your and what state are you in?
by doggone March 7, 2008 12:00 AM

Nunya!
by A Conscious Mind March 7, 2008 12:00 AM

Who is your rep and what state are you in?
by doggone March 7, 2008 12:00 AM

You talking to me doggone?
by A Conscious Mind March 7, 2008 12:00 AM

Sure sneaky_pete, you can move on now!
by A Conscious Mind March 7, 2008 12:00 AM

Yes,ACM.
by doggone March 7, 2008 12:00 AM

The concept is good and plausible just bad execution and to secretive. Hey ACM could you answer some of my questions from my earlier post? All I got back was to contact them about my app, and I did a week ago and followed up again this week.
by mikoli007 March 7, 2008 12:00 AM

Your intitled to your uninformed opinion sp!

doggone, nunya, nunya business!!! I´m not telling you that!
by A Conscious Mind March 7, 2008 12:00 AM

mikoli,
Did you contact them through the website posted on here?
www.globalsolutions4all.com
by A Conscious Mind March 7, 2008 12:00 AM

why not, it doesn´t hurt anything?
by doggone March 7, 2008 12:00 AM

Why, then? Why do you wanna know? What can you do with my reps name and the state I live in?
by A Conscious Mind March 7, 2008 12:00 AM

Can´t remember if it was from that web site or the other one with the email at the bottom. It was sent the one that starts with info@
by mikoli007 March 7, 2008 12:00 AM

don´t remember who posted it but it sounds eerily similar to the Ponzi scheme. Basically borrowing from peter to pay paul and promising peter huge advantages on his investment. Then borrowing from sally to pay peter.

Sooner or later the funds will run out and lots of people will be stuck wondering where is this guy and my money?

lets look at the basic cost of doing business. he can´t borrow the money for much less than the rate he´s promising so where is his profit margin?
by LoneSlinger March 7, 2008 12:00 AM

They have responded before. They asked me a few questions, I answered them. Haven´t heard back thats another reason I´m getting more and more skeptical.
by mikoli007 March 7, 2008 12:00 AM

They have responded before. They asked me a few questions, I answered them. Haven´t heard back thats another reason I´m getting more and more skeptical.
by mikoli007 March 7, 2008 12:00 AM

mikoli,
Did you pay your 1% yet.

Just got off the phone with my rep.
If you´ve paid your 1%, your loan is still alive, just keep contacting them!
If you have not paid your 1%, then your loan is dead!
Dead untill they reopen the Residential Program again, if they ever do!!!
by A Conscious Mind March 7, 2008 12:00 AM

No I have not paid. I was going to the day I recieved an email from M D stating to hold all money until they had some issues worked out.
by mikoli007 March 7, 2008 12:00 AM

You better email him back then!
by A Conscious Mind March 7, 2008 12:00 AM

Federal racketeering lawsuit filed in NY. Ticor has suspended all activity. FBI is investigating in Washington state.
I have solicitation material from one of their representatives. I recemmend that anyone with similar info do what I´m doing, which is turning the information to the FBI to run these idiots out of the industry
by IdahoJJ March 8, 2008 12:00 AM

LOL IdahoJJ,

FBI has already backed off ELT. Ticor was outta line!
Better off using it for toilet paper, might be a little rough though!

by A Conscious Mind March 8, 2008 12:00 AM

Anyone falling for this crap is a dolt. A loser. A moron.
http://phattie.net/dawg_wavs/looney_tunes/maroon.wav
by Anybody March 8, 2008 12:00 AM

Has anyone spoke to Bob Baschmann in the last week?? Does anyone know the most recent e-mail adress that he has been using?? I have been trying to reach him but his VM is stil full.
by crazy_chick78 March 9, 2008 12:00 AM

i have emailed several times to no avail.
by mikoli007 March 9, 2008 12:00 AM

The only thing more hilarious than bozo´s sending certified checks for magic loans from people who don´t return their calls while subject to federal lawsuits and FBI investigations is the obvious lack of intelligence displayed by people without even a faint grasp of the benefits of an education. A Conscious Mind takes the cake: go back to school- try 2nd grade- and learn to spell. Maybe someone will respect your comments; I sure don´t.
by IdahoJJ March 9, 2008 12:00 AM

You got your 1% in Idahopuke?
by A Conscious Mind March 9, 2008 12:00 AM

HI anyone got a call from either michael , or from ELt, please give us a call, has anyone recieved a confirmation, please contact us at 773.984.3806. What is going with the company is everything frozen, or still running ok, because if FBI is investigating them , what did they do wrong, please share info at fengshuilife@yahoo.com
Have a Blessed day!
by Godknowsyou March 9, 2008 12:00 AM

I cannot believe this thread is going on after all these days.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 9, 2008 12:00 AM

Pres,

We´ve been here warning these hard headed ones since the 13th of February - looks like another 30 days will go by without "FUNDING"!!!!! Anybody else want to put up your 1%??? oh yeah, they put a stop to that, huh? I guess since the FBI Investigation is going on, or wait a minute?! that´s only on "residential" type of loans. They didn´t say restrictions on "commercial", huh? Is that why the application is still up on the site? So maybe there are still a stupid few of you that have put $$ into this program since we started warning you, huh?

Keep up the good work "unconscious numbskull" - let everyone know how you still have the "warm and fuzzy´s" and the "glass is half full" and all of your other bullshit cliche´s......yadayadayadanblahblah, all of your ebonic communications -

go team go! rah! rah! rah!, hang in there - it´s all going to be alright!!

you are a great shill-leader!! I´m sure Bob is very proud of you! ;^)





by ocean tech March 9, 2008 12:00 AM

hey everyone if anyone knows Bobs e-mail address would you please post it here! I really need to know!
by crazy_chick78 March 9, 2008 12:00 AM

take your pick:


mozart-1@starband.net

rbaschmannjr@hughes.net

rbaschmannjr@starband.net


by ocean tech March 9, 2008 12:00 AM

Robert Baschmann Jr. is my uncle and I do not know the whole story, but I know a lot of people have been seriously screwed over. As a hardworking person and an honest man I think it is only right to help the people that have been done wrong by a family member of mine, even though I have NOTHING to do with his scams. I have read all of your posts and I do not know what is true and what is not. I will tell you that he has been missing for some time now and I discovered this website while looking up his company to try and contact him. The house he lives in in Boston NY is not even his, it belongs to my grandparents and my mother so please do not take out any aggression on the property because I have been told by people who live nearby that a lot of cars have been up and down the driveway looking for him. He is a liar and even lied to me about sending me money for a vehicle when I was in high school after I wrecked the one I had. Please do not take any loans from him or give him an opportunity to scam you. I do not know anything about the FBI investigating him, but it wouldn´t surprise me. I would like to emphasize the fact that my immediate family doesnt even live in NY, we live in VA, and no one in my family has had any involvement with him. I know I am pissing my family off by doing this, but I can not let honest hard working people have their lives ruined or dreams of owning a home taken away. If you have any questions or I can help in any way call me. 434-906-3455 is my cell phone number and if i dont answer just leave me a voicemail and unlike him, I will call you back.

Andrew Pullen
by nozzleman87 March 9, 2008 12:00 AM

Andrew,

who owns the property in Wa. State that was financed through him, was it another relative??

Thank you for your honesty and your opinion.


by ocean tech March 9, 2008 12:00 AM

I do not have any family in Wa. If anyone has questions, please call me at any time day or night. I do not want to post on here a whole lot. I just want to keep you all from losing everything because I have lost just about everything myself recently and I know how hard it is to bounce back.

Andrew Pullen
434-906-3455
by nozzleman87 March 9, 2008 12:00 AM

If you do not feel comfortable calling, you can email me at nozzleman87@yahoo.com

Andrew Pullen
by nozzleman87 March 10, 2008 12:00 AM

Conscious. I did my homework like I told you I was going to do with a rep from ELT. I got some information, very limited mind you. It is nothing but a scam. My opinion stand from the earlier paosts. The more information I received the more it confirmed my suspicions. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. But it is even more obvious after speaking with an ELT rep.

Also. The FBI investigation is still an active one despite what some people are saying. That is coming directly from a source at the FBI that I spoke with.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 10, 2008 12:00 AM

WARNING!!!
www.globalsolutions4all.com is not an official ELT website!
Someone is trying to gather information on you.
Do not give your personal information to these people!!!

by A Conscious Mind March 10, 2008 12:00 AM

I have had enough of you people!!!

I will no longer post on here, believe what you wanna believe, do what you wanna do, say what you wanna say!

I´m moving on and no longer care what happens here. I´m sure ELT will do fine despite your negative comments.

As for me, I will be building my house soon and hope that others will see this thread for what it is! An attempt to destroy good value producers that are simply trying to help good people!

Bye!!!

ACM

by A Conscious Mind March 10, 2008 12:00 AM

Disregard my warning! It is ELTs website. I was wrong!
by A Conscious Mind March 10, 2008 12:00 AM

I was wrong, it is their website! My bad!

by A Conscious Mind March 10, 2008 12:00 AM

BYE!
by A Conscious Mind March 10, 2008 12:00 AM

that´s right unconscious, we´re all naysayers because we are against this "great" program that you so desperately want to believe!! you gotta be kidding me?! even his nephew tells you what a punk Bob is, I´ve left you all contact information for Bob. Let me know who actually get´s a response from him!
by ocean tech March 10, 2008 12:00 AM

Bye again ACM
by dead eye March 10, 2008 12:00 AM

I spoke with an authorized rep there like I told you I would ACM. I gave them every benefit of the doubt to try and convince me that it was legit. Nothing would be done without the 1% fee. After I brought up my concerns he asked he how I found out about the lawsuit. He also told me there was no active investigation by the FBI which I told him was not true because I have a long time college buddy who works with the FBI that said the investigation is ongoing. After that he tried to get back to the benefits of the loan service without addressing my concerns. When I brought this back up needless to say that ended the conversation.

These people on here are not naysayers. They are fact finders who speak the truth. You are either work for them, smoke crack, or just that naive. I hope it is the first because NO ONE can be this naive. And don´t try to tell me you know things I don´t. I found out plenty of information about this process and what they want from you. There is nothing that you know that I don´t.

I also had my FBI contact do a little digging. Needlss to say certain person(s) tied to ELT have been "under scrutiny" for other instances that I cannot mention.

This is for everyone who wanted to know more about this company and how it operates. Good luck to you all and I hope those of you who have sent your 1% in get it back. I also hope those of you who were thinking about sending in 1% choose not to do so. But I cannot stop that.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 10, 2008 12:00 AM

I spoke with an authorized rep there like I told you I would ACM. I gave them every benefit of the doubt to try and convince me that it was legit. Nothing would be done without the 1% fee. After I brought up my concerns he asked he how I found out about the lawsuit. He also told me there was no active investigation by the FBI which I told him was not true because I have a long time college buddy who works with the FBI that said the investigation is ongoing. After that he tried to get back to the benefits of the loan service without addressing my concerns. When I brought this back up needless to say that ended the conversation.

These people on here are not naysayers. They are fact finders who speak the truth. You are either work for them, smoke crack, or just that naive. I hope it is the first because NO ONE can be this naive. And don´t try to tell me you know things I don´t. I found out plenty of information about this process and what they want from you. There is nothing that you know that I don´t.

I also had my FBI contact do a little digging. Needlss to say certain person(s) tied to ELT have been "under scrutiny" for other instances that I cannot mention.

This is for everyone who wanted to know more about this company and how it operates. Good luck to you all and I hope those of you who have sent your 1% in get it back. I also hope those of you who were thinking about sending in 1% choose not to do so. But I cannot stop that.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 10, 2008 12:00 AM

Wow! This has definitely turned into the "Bubba Gump" mortgage thread. It might even be funny if it were only a movie.

Regardless, when you poor souls finally wake up from your stupor and realize you´ve been scammed I´d focus on Ticor for the return of your money. This Baschmann is just some guy without 2 nickels to rub together (except for your money - likely at least partially spent). Ticor is a LARGE company and they´ve put themselves in a bad position by initally taking your money, regardless of who has it now.

Good luck to you all.
by HorseCreeker March 10, 2008 12:00 AM

By the above I don´t mean Baschmann doesn´t deserve to be caught. I´m just saying you´re not likely to get much out of him. If there´s any justice he´ll end up in jail anyway.


by HorseCreeker March 10, 2008 12:00 AM

I posted yesterday to help the people that have lost so much and help some people find closure. I am not a liar and if I wasnt telling the truth then I wouldnt post my name and number to a post that anyone can see. I will tell the people that have called harrassing me about this issue that if you call again, just man up. Tell me your name and where you live. Maybe we can arrange to meet and talk. I was trying to help all the people who were screwed over by my uncle and I will continue to, but I will not be harrassed by ignorant people. So if you write a post on here that is degrading to me, send me a nasty email, or if you call my number and talk rudely to me or my fiance, be a man because unlike you I am trying to help someone, not scam them.

Andrew Pullen (see I leave my name)
434-906-3455 (and my phone number)\
nozzleman87@yahoo.com
by nozzleman87 March 10, 2008 12:00 AM

Andrew,

I´m sorry to hear that you´ve had such negative response to your wanting to be "helpful". I´m sorry that people can be the way that they are. Many are just frustrated and confused. They want to believe so badly that your uncle is on the up and up. I´m sorry to say that I also had faith in your uncle for a short period of time. But I was not so far in denial that I would continue to listen to his bullshit - and everyone else needs to wake up!! To me it was about making money, but many others on this thread are just trying to save their homes! I feel really bad for those people that put their trust into a malicious man like your uncle. Keep up the good work Andrew in letting us know your thoughts and I hope you people that are harrasing him - leave him alone. He´s only telling you the "truth".

You probably will never find Bob, he´s probably in Canada where a lady friend of his lives. I doubt he´ll be back anytime soon.




by ocean tech March 10, 2008 12:00 AM

I HOPE YOU FRICKIN DUMB SHITS who have bought into this will now give it up. Whats it take to get through your lame ass thick skulls? Im tired of telling you nicely. Man, theres WAYYYY more than one born every minute.
by Twisted Guts March 10, 2008 12:00 AM

Twisted Guts,

Many people that were/are involved in this program are/ were on the verge of losing their homes and you have the nerve to speak to them so poorly? There is a family that has several children that posted and they were trying to save their home, do they deserve to be called such rude names?

Provide the information that you have about the program positive or negative but don´t degrade people, it´s unnecessary and pointless.


by lg123 March 10, 2008 12:00 AM

Many people that were/are involved in this program are/ were on the verge of losing their homes and you have the nerve to speak to them so poorly?

Has this crook saved their homes>\?

CAll it tough love!
by dead eye March 11, 2008 12:00 AM

What!? no update since Feb. 29th????


https://www.globalsolutions4all.com/Updates.html

where is your fearless leader?

I´m thinkin´ he´s done left country with a good stash of cash!!
by ocean tech March 11, 2008 12:00 AM

Deadeye,

Whether or not he has performed or not is no concern of mine at this point. I´m addressing the manner in which people are being degraded for no reason. Like I said it´s pointless, your proving what? That you can break people down, an at that over the computer. This thread has turned away from the point which was to provided information about the company or personal experiences people have had.




by lg123 March 11, 2008 12:00 AM

As for me, I will be building my house soon and hope that others will see this thread for what it is! An attempt to destroy good value producers that are simply trying to help good people!

Bye!!!

ACM

by A Conscious Mind March 10, 2008


You are incorrect. What people will see this thread for is the fact that this whole company and their product is a load of horsesh*t. Because that is what it really is. No facts support ELT and Baschman. Nothing his company provided was worthwhile.

If it smells like turd, it probably is one.

No offense turdly.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 11, 2008 12:00 AM

If anyone has been scammed by "A Conscious Mind" here is his contact info.

http://homeloan4me.com/contact_us.html

I had an interesting conversation with him as he rattled off his love for ELT. He has know business even inthe mortgage business let alone posting on threads.

When I asked him how a lender could off set his risk when he is into the deal 99% LTV he said "He just takes the property" lol....foreclosure must be free in washington.


by yourmoneyguy@hotmail.com March 11, 2008 12:00 AM

This site will not load:

https://www.globalsolutions4all.com/Updates.html


Has the website been shut down?
by deja vu March 12, 2008 12:00 AM

Just opened it
by dead eye March 12, 2008 12:00 AM

Hopefully this means we can put this thread to rest. Oh so close to 600 though.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 13, 2008 12:00 AM

Personal information has been removed.
by backgroundgrrl March 14, 2008 12:00 AM

Personal information has been removed.
by backgroundgrrl March 14, 2008 12:00 AM

by dcbob March 13, 2008 12:00 AM

Well I am just sick you think your being treated right by what you think is a great chance with business being slow for anyone who may work in the service industry or owns a business,would know this would be great if it was real, I sent in my application I got Dicked around by a woman that is even stated as a mortgage co. on the empire application!!!! She is not. She has not got a valid license in the state of WA. Her name is Robin Wolcott, I sent her my application and instead of sending it to be approved she lead me to believe it was all good by the application stage then her personnel problems lead her to commit a crime of not properly processing my loan application. She is probably scared that someone with a brain would check on her, well watch your back she is as shady as this fake ass loan. I sent all of this as well as the application to the BBB, States attorney generals office as well as reported her to WA states mortgage license in Olympia. these are big crimes in desperate times its so sick to see people like this messing with others lively hoods,
Karma is all I have to say.....
by dcbob March 13, 2008 12:00 AM

looks like ELT is changing thier name to "Seahorse Resource Services" anyone else hear about this?
by insider info March 13, 2008 12:00 AM

Like I said before, Robert Baschmann Jr. is scamming everyone. When he is caught, he is going to jail for a long time and there is no gaurantee you will get any money back that you sent him. So please don´t take any chances with this man or people that may work with him. They are all crooks. I have recieved a lot of phone calls, probably 50 or 60 since my first post, and all of them talked about losing money, almost losing money or not knowing whether to send him money or not. Take it from someone who has known him for a long time. He is a criminal.

Andrew Pullen
434-906-3455
by nozzleman87 March 14, 2008 12:00 AM

dcbob,

I guess your glad that she didn´t properly process your loan application, or else you may have sent in your money, but what did she do to screw up the application process? I am just curious about the details of your experience. I think they are a bunch of crooks, too.


by CBOofTN March 14, 2008 12:00 AM

It appears as though there are a lot of people misquoting information. If you read the "lawsuit" filing you would see that the information is not correct and is unfounded.
Ticor as dropped several of their "charges". Why don´t you google ticor they have several lawsuits against them. Instead of slamming this program or trying to "copy" it like some of those disgruntled people have done why don´t you ask "how can we help"? I think what Mr. Baschmann is doing is wonderful the economy needs something like this and obviously he´s still going forward. I personally think he is nothing but heroic.
by Velma March 14, 2008 12:00 AM

It appears as though there are a lot of people misquoting information. If you read the "lawsuit" filing you would see that the information is not correct and is unfounded.
Ticor as dropped several of their "charges". Why don´t you google ticor they have several lawsuits against them. Instead of slamming this program or trying to "copy" it like some of those disgruntled people have done why don´t you ask "how can we help"? I think what Mr. Baschmann is doing is wonderful the economy needs something like this and obviously he´s still going forward. I personally think he is nothing but heroic.
by Velma March 14, 2008 12:00 AM

It appears as though there are a lot of people misquoting information. If you read the "lawsuit" filing you would see that the information is not correct and is unfounded.
Ticor as dropped several of their "charges". Why don´t you google ticor they have several lawsuits against them. Instead of slamming this program or trying to "copy" it like some of those disgruntled people have done why don´t you ask "how can we help"? I think what Mr. Baschmann is doing is wonderful the economy needs something like this and obviously he´s still going forward. I personally think he is nothing but heroic.
by Velma March 14, 2008 12:00 AM

Why do people keep repeating their posts?!? Just click ´submit´ once!


Why do people keep repeating their posts?!? Just click ´submit´ once!


by CBOofTN March 14, 2008 12:00 AM

I would like to set the record straight regarding the post from "DCBob".
I am Robin Wolcott and did receive a faxed application from "DCBob" who is a woman I have never met; she got my application from someone whom we know mutually by a forwarded email. Though I have never met her, and do not know her personally, I was willing to submit her application along with the other person’s whom we know mutual ly. She applied [faxed me] early February 2008; at that time we were told to wait and not accept new applications and that order has not changed.
I have submitted applications previously to Empire and been working with them for months now. I became an authorized agent of Empire, which did not require me to renew my Loan Originator’s license in the State of Washington. I have not currently [2008] renewed my license as a Loan Originator. I never represented myself to this woman or anyone else as anything other than an agent of Empire and have taken my directions from Mr. Bauschmann directly.
Currently there is a law suit between TICOR and EMPIRE that has been well discussed here on this blog. I have seen and read the entire complaint and having been privileged to know that many of the items in that complaint are half-truths at best and some are simply fabricated. There are attorneys working to resolve that issue, so I leave that to the legal experts and feel no need to defend those who are still with Empire as there have been no crimes or fraud committed.
I will not disclose “DCBob”’s personal information here as I would not stoop to the level of many of the detractors that are choosing to post their negative rants here. I have never knowingly involved myself with work to hurt or mislead others and I am proud of my work history and reputation. “DCBob” has also sent me multiple emails as her ‘real name/email address’ which I forwarded to my attorney and I have requested that she stop harassing me. I am very sorry for her not being able to apply for this loan at this time and have no control on when application may again be taken, if ever. I have tried to be the bigger person as I am sure she is frustrated and as she stated in her personal emails to me, needed this loan and was counting on it. I feel badly that I cannot help her, or many others that have contacted me, but I am simply an agent, nothing more.
I am saddened that most people here do not have the integrity or courage to write as themselves. My personal information was released without my permission by an upset woman who appears to want to do me some type of harm since she could not get from me what she wanted.
I have read many posts here that make rude, profane allegations against many member of Empire, but they do so under the ‘cloak’ of a pseudo-name and have no documentation to back their accusations. I can’t take any of them seriously, positive or negative if they have no information to back their claims and don’t have the courage to blog as themselves…people under false names have no reason to tell the truth.
I understand that this is a mortgage related website/blog and that questions about this type of lending could be discussed here, but this type of lending in no way reflects conventional, bank lending, so many of the questions here cannot be answered in that format, which may have caused confusion.
I wish everyone the best of luck in finding what they need here to make their own decisions. I don’t see the whole story represented, but I am eager for the resolution. I wish all the negative, misinformed bloggers could find a more positive outlet to focus their energies on. Best of luck to all.

by RWolcott March 14, 2008 12:00 AM

RWolcott,
You may be speaking about several others on this blog when you say they have no documentation to back up their claims or hide behind a screen name, but every time I have posted I have left my name and even my phone number. I am trying to prevent people I dont even know from losing their money, property, etc. I think the 50 or 60 people that have called me telling me how they lost their money or have sent money and havnt heard anything is enough evidence for people to not allow themselves to be scammed. It is 100% true that Robert Baschmann Jr. has committed several crimes and is infact being investigated by the FBI. Do you honestly think I would write the kind of information I have on here, against a person in my family, and leave my personal information if I wasn´t being completely honest?

I will leave everyone with the facts and I will no longer post on here.

Robert Baschmann Jr. is my uncle. He has lived in my mothers house in NY for many years. He is not a millionare, he does not own a logging and timber business, and he has spent his life scamming people. He left without any notice and hasnt been heard from in a couple months and is probably in Canada. He is being investigated by the FBI and he has committed several crimes. Take the information I have given you and use how you want to.

Good luck with your endeavors,

Andrew Pullen
434-906-3455
by nozzleman87 March 14, 2008 12:00 AM

does any one care that ELT has changed their name. To me it sounds like they had to because if anyone googled them they would see this site. HHHmmmmmmm
by insider info March 14, 2008 12:00 AM

I am
by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 15, 2008 12:00 AM

post# 600
by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 15, 2008 12:00 AM

Sorry Robin, but you have been duped as well.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 15, 2008 12:00 AM

There are always two sides to every story. It seems in Andrew´s sad attempt to spread malicious gossip about his uncle there are a few details he neglected to include in his various recollections of his childhood. As with most things in life people seem to see things the way they wish them to be not always the way they are. If the purpose of this blog is to provide a constructive platform for valid comments with regards to the programs and actions of Empire Logging and Timber than I will be more than happy to provide any information i can to assist clients with questions and concerns. If the purpose is to expose and discuss personal family concerns then please feel free to read the other side of the story below;

At 16 years of age Andrew successfully smashed up 2 vehicles, and when his Uncle tried to help him buy another one Andrew refused to carry the proper insurance on the vehicle and maintain the correct package required on a purchased vehicle by a 16 year old kid. His mother stated to one and all that no one was to tell him what to do she was to fund the vehicle, and the funds his uncle put up were returned due to lack of proper coverage.

At 16 he had a fire in his home and even though he did not deliberately cause the fire he received a judgement against him from the insurance company for the cost.

His mother has been living in a home since 1990 that she has not made any payments on since that period of time. All mortgage payments, taxes, insurances, utilities, and repairs have been made by her brother and her family.

Should we go on???? Again as with all things there are always two sides. It appears from the above and other details I do not wish to share Andrew has a colorful past.

The point is his personal slams against his Uncle do not validate any of the issues with regard to any ones concerns or comments about ELT either way. Simply put, no solid constructive info has come out of him yet. It would be most appreciated if this forum could attempt to stay on task with the issues of ELT. We all have things in our past that friends and family can stab away at.

Looking forward to some intelligent dialog....If anyone would care to join in.

by Tradewynde March 15, 2008 12:00 AM

Tradewynde,

I know I said I was done posting on here, but I will not allow someone hiding behin a name to talk about me and my mother like that. Be a man and call me so we can talk or even better lets talk face to face. I have not told a single lie in any of my posts. A person did post something on here that I told them that was a little exagerated, but not a lie. I did not wreck two vehicles at 16. I was on my way to school and I hit a bear with my car and the vehicle was totaled. That is the only accident that I have ever had. I have always had insurance on my vehicles and what you said is comepletely untrue. I ended up working for the money to buy another vehicle soon after my uncle didnt come through. The house fire was cause by a malfunctioning woodstove and not by me. There is no judgement against me for anything at this time. I have never been in any trouble with the law and since I was 18 I have worked as a proffessional firefighter and have served my community as a volunteer for 6 years now. I have worked for everything I have and unlike Robert Baschmann Jr., I have not scammed anyone in an attempt to make money. I will not get into specifics about my mothers house because that is between my grandparents and her. Her and my father own the house and Robert Baschmann Jr. has not made any payments on it and from what I have been told, has more or less destroyed it. I am done with this website. My attempt to help other people from being scammed has turned into nothing but threatening phone calls and lies being published on the internet. I highly encourage whooever tradewynds is to be a man and call me so we can talk.

Andrew Pullen
by nozzleman87 March 15, 2008 12:00 AM

I used to come here several times a day looking for real information. Now I come her just for the entertainment value! The gossip on this site not only speaks poorly for those who post; to me in invalidates the entire domain.

!!Warning!! For Entertainment Purposes Only!
by jimbo_hansen March 15, 2008 12:00 AM

Can anyone on this website answer the following questions I have ?
1 ) Can someone provide documentation proofing the closing in January through Ticor Title Company with the Empire Logging & Timber Co. LLC on a piece of property in King County in Washington state ?
2 ) Can anyone prove that Robert Baschman is in Washington DC at a hotel ? and not in Canada ?
3 )Why is it that Robert Baschman is borrowing money from other sources to fund these loans?
4 ) Why is it that Robert Baschman is having the people whom have submitted applications put money up front ( 1% and 10 % ) if he does not have the money to funds these people on his own ?
5 ) Why is it that no loans closed between January 31, 2008 through February 11,2008 before the lawsuit was filed by Ticor Title Co. ?
6) Why is it that Robert Baschman opened up a bank account through Bank of China instead of a domestic bank in the US ? like Wells Fargo or Chase Manhatten or Bank of America ? These are proven banks in the US
7 ) Is Robert Baschman taking a loan from China for these loans that his intent is to fund ? Is that why an account was opened up with Bank of China in New York ?
It would be nice to have some answers to these questions !
by rockfarmer March 16, 2008 12:00 AM

Looking forward to some intelligent dialog....If anyone would care to join in.

by Tradewynde March 15, 2008

You are looking for intelligent dialogue yet you post this crap. That makes you a big hypocrite.

There has been no intelligent discussion on the part of anyone in favor of ELT with any proven facts. This has been a 1 sided discussion from the beginning. Look at all 600+ posts. What has been said that has proven ELT is credible. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!. All the people keep saying is wait and see and you guys don´t have information that I have. Proves squat. How is thta for intelligent conversation on the part of ELT lovers.

SO there are your facts Tradewynde. There is your intelligent dialogue. When you come bacik with something credible besides personal attacks on someone, please post again. All your post does is make you look like an ass clown.

by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 16, 2008 12:00 AM

To Robin Wolcott,
What happened to the post by you yesterday ? It has been banned from here.
In that blog you stated that you went on a trip with Robert Baschman Jr, went to his home, that he spoke of his break up with his Canadian girlfriend, that his stories changed day to day and that you received $ 70,000 dollars of money from him to become his secretary and that you would be moving to Washington DC.
I ask you to respond as to what form of currency were you paid in and did any of that money you were paid came from the monies being paid by these applicants, ie - they´re 1 % - 10 % ?
From that blog I wrote down your phone number, address etc. of the information that you also provided and am concerned as to why it has disappeared from this page ?
It is my understanding that some agents of his like you have yet to receive pay for the work that they have been doing with regards to these loan applicants.This is why I am questioning you as to how and why you received money ? Please respond
by rockfarmer March 16, 2008 12:00 AM

I am President of the Grapevine Gulag,

Well Said!!!


by nozzleman87 March 16, 2008 12:00 AM

rockfarmer,

I can answer all those questions!
Ask your rep. and stop looking for real answers on here!
All you´ll get here is criticism!!!
by A Conscious Mind March 16, 2008 12:00 AM

To :
A Conscious Mind

If you can answer these questions of mine, please do so! What makes you think I have a rep ? I have a friend involved in this situation with regards to the ELT Company and at present after several months has still not closed the transaction with they´re property. The questions I have asked here or from they´re rep. have yet to be answered subsequently.Since you stated that you can - Nows your time to do so.By the way as the old saying goes " Proof is in the pudding ! "
And by the way, thanks for your immature behavior !
by rockfarmer March 16, 2008 12:00 AM

rockfarmer. What ACM meant to say is what you will get here is the truth.

ACM. I did exactly like I told you I would do. I got all of my information from Ken at ELT.

I have already stated the obvious. I have nothing more to say.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 16, 2008 12:00 AM

rockfarmer, and all others looking for information about this loan program.

In my opinion, this thread is being used to suppress a private loan program that will help thousands of us!

Anything good in this society that is´nt controlled by or come from a recognized power to be, or big business, banks ect. is seen as a threat by some people! They are so used to being controlled or protected so to speek by some Mystical entity, some greater authority, that their blind to the HOAX that is their lives!!!

I say WAKE UP!!! Let this program take it´s course!!! Let´s evolve into a society that does´nt need to look anywhere but in our own minds to solve their problems!

I made a conscious choice to do this loan! It´s from a private source and thats between them and I! Its not for the general public, because the majority of you can´t deal with the fact that there is a private source out there that some people are using to solve their money problems!!! What YOU have a problem with, is the fact that that source is not available to you!!!

Before you ask why again. My answer is, that the existance of this thread is the reason why!!!

Leave this loan program alone and maybe, just maybe, one day one of your friends might see you as a person that would welcome a program like this and tell you about!!!

Until then, lets wait and give it a chance!!! John Lennon prolly would!

ACM





by A Conscious Mind March 16, 2008 12:00 AM

This thread is over a month old. Shouldn´t we know by now if the program is legit or not?

I´m gonna go ahead and err on the side of caution and say "not".


by TennesseeTuxedo March 16, 2008 12:00 AM

To : I am president of the Grapevine Gulag

Thank you for your honesty and for your inquiry through a person you know affiliated with information pertaining to the FBI. I feel as you that it is quite obvious that this company is more than just a scam and when I started doing research on this company it brought up this website. I like you hope that people like my friend are able to get they´re money back and hope that when they find this guy he will be put away for a very very long time.
by rockfarmer March 16, 2008 12:00 AM

yawn
by jimbo_hansen March 16, 2008 12:00 AM

I feel so sorry for you guys. Oceantech? or I believe your name is Jack? THIS PROGRAM DOES WORK.I am signing before the end of the month. My friends Loan did close. He bought a house in Maple Valley. I am a Washington real estate agent. It´s too bad for all of you because unfortunately Robert had the wrong people involved from the start. Multi level marketing idiots trying to run the show. They did everything they were not supposed to do. Now people have a hard time believing this will work. Guess what? ALL of the loans he said he would do are getting done. If he has all the info that he needs they will close. Due to the morons he had hired things have been set back because with a lot of the people he does not have all the info, simple things like contact info, phone, email etc. You try to do a loan for someone without all their info. This all needed to be done legally and right and that is why it is taking longer. Robert is a man of his word and I am so happy I did not succumb to all this gibberish. It will work! If you are waiting for your loan to close, I AM PROOF. I can understand why all the mortgage brokers on here are upset. I would be pretty peeved if I knew that someone was bringing a product that would essentially put me out of a lot of my business. I would be mad also. You cannot compete. Here’s the good thing, You are not invited. It was not suppose to be blown up this much. These idiots, you know who you are, Ruined it for all the people that they promised it would work for by not doing it the right way.
Now, fortunately for me and my other friends who are all signing in the next few days, are laughing all the way to our BEAUTIFUL 4% loans. Robert is amazing. He is changing my life and the lives of my friends who are also to be signing by the end of the month. This is what we all needed. The truth will come out soon, and this will be the best thing to ever happen to lending, But it will never be offered to any of you when it does. Oh ye of little faith. Good luck with traditional lending. I can see how busy you all must be with all the time you have talked about this. ~Sincerely

by realestateguru March 16, 2008 12:00 AM

Rock Farmer, Have a little faith, you are going to be pleasantly suprised by this program, your friends loan taking longer? You can thank the idiots who have caused so much un needed conflict. It will happen. People are working hard abiding by the laws and getting these done. Stop assuming and take a breath and smile. Your friend will be helped. He helped me and a bunch of my friends. Hang in there!
by realestateguru March 16, 2008 12:00 AM

If he is abiding by the law then why is he being investigated by the FBI? If he is abiding by the law and giving all these people thier loans than why has he been hiding from everyone? You know who I think realestateguru, a conscious mind, and the other ones are who stick up for ELT? I think that they are either Robert Baschmann Jr. or people influenced by him to make those comments. I also think at this point you have been making those comments in vein because people are wise to you and your "reps". At least give these people some respect and stop treating them like extremely nieve children. I mean you have lied to them, stolen from them, you are hiding from them, and now you are trying to dig yourself out of a hole with more lies. You all will end up where you belong sooner or later.

Andrew Pullen
by nozzleman87 March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

LOL. I don´t know a conscious mind but Andrew, I don´t know you either. All I know is that your "uncle" is changing my life. I am simply a client waiting for my loan to close, and the wait is over. I needed this loan so bad and I thought it was too good to be true, but it´s not and I am so grateful that I hung in there. I have 16 friends of mine in the same position and I guarantee ALL of us will post from the Mountain tops the day we sign. Actually only 14. 2 of them could not handle all the icky on the internet and guess what? They got their money back right away. Please just let this happen for people. Everyone keeps saying, Why? Why is this taking so long? Let him be and it will happen. Look at how many negativities have been said. It´s hard to have a successful business with none of this going on can you imagine? I know you have said you have a checkerd past with your "uncle" and I am sorry for you for that. I have never met him but I truly am so glad that this was introduced to me. Robert is an amazing person who has all good intentions. I am so excited for this life to come!!
by realestateguru March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

Oh and BTW. I have not heard of anyone losing their money. Those who have not received it back should call Ticor. No one wrote their checks directly to Robert or ELT. My friends got their money right back, maybe people don´t know that it´s just that easy.I am simply speaking from first hand experience. I´m sorry for your family strife. This too shall pass.
by realestateguru March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

Thanks realestateguru,

I´m glad you came forward! I´ve always said that time will tell the story! To tell you the truth, I dont know what I would have or could have done without this program!!! Thanks Robert....and those friends that shared it with me!!!
Glad to hear so excitement for a change...:-)

by A Conscious Mind March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

A concious mind, I was reading through the blog´s and it makes me sad for people. Not really sad for them but for all the people who need help getting out of bad loans and FINALLY...some light and POW! People want to put it out. I am so excited for everything and so are my friends. I have friends that live in Sacramento, Vegas, Denver and they are all having to walk away from their homes. Unfortunatley, they could not be helped because unlike Seattle their markets are completley devastated. Homes they bought for 400 are now worth 300. I am so happy that Robert came along. I really cannot wait for this blog when it turns around. When everyone who closes, starts Blogging. I will expect a HUGE apology to Robert from all these people. I am expecting most of them will run with their tails between their legs and so devastated that they will be kicking themselves. Here´s to living the dream!
by realestateguru March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

Hehe, dont hold your breath realestateguru. In my experience they either just fade away quietly or go away still kicking and screaming! Either way they do go away when theres nothing left to feed on!
Im pretty excited also, even though reading this blog can sometimes be discoraging.
Unfortunatly, a few of my friends got lost in the hype and were´nt commited enough to fallow through with their loans.
Hopefully not too much damage was done and it will return in the future for those that who want it and need it.

Signing off for now, will check back in the morning...;-)

by A Conscious Mind March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

Kool Aid
Kool Aid
Taste Greate
Kool Aid
Kool Aid
Can´t Wait!





by dead eye March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

I am starting up a new lending program. If anyone is interested in sending me 1% of the loan amount that they want, please contact me. If I get enough people interested, I will start a business entity up and accept all your money. Please understand that it will take a long time to close your loan, though.

Any takers?



by CBOofTN March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

You dont speak of Robert Baschmann Jr. like a lender. You speak of him like a messiah or some religious figure. It sounds like you all belong to some kind of cult that worships him.
by nozzleman87 March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

Now, if I was a mortgage broker or loan officer that posted on this site, I would be ashamed of myself.

Just becuse you do not understand or know the inner working of a program, you must do the AMERICA THING, SLAM IT.

I wonder how the first caveman felt when he invented the wheel or Henry Ford for coming up with the assembly line, or even in 1949 when Jay Van Andel and Rich DeVos came up with NETWORK MARKETING or MLM and created dozens & dozens of millionaire in a few short years and is still one of the total marketing company, $6.4 billion last year.


History tells that they went though hell with all the bad remarks, and name calling FTC fileing, lawsuits, by everyone that could not make a go out of MLM. They were called a pyramid schemes or cults, and even today, you the naysames that will not believe in MLM. But I can tell you MLM or Network Marketing works and I have the checks to prove it.


Well that said, here we are bashing another new item, a new product and maybe a new and better way to mortgage home, It´s for sure %^&$ the old way is not working.

Bur like most AMERICANS, they hate change, can not stand it.


by JJ42 March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

Just becuse you do not understand or know the inner working of a program, you must do the AMERICA THING, SLAM IT.

That´s a dumb statement! The fact is we recognize a scam when we see one.

And NO even if this were legit, IT IS NO THREAT TO MY LIVELIHOOD!
by dead eye March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

So sad. Andrew, you will never be looked at a a saver of all people. He is not a God, he is just doing what none of would ever have the chance to do. Helping people. You all just want to destroy it because you are so ignorant to it. JJ has it right. I have read through all of the blogs and Not one person knows how the program works. Again CBO, no one has lost their money. It is all at Ticor. Do you need me to type that slower for you? It´s funny how you all will read only what you want it to be. He could have easily just had all these people right the checks directly to him, and left with it. He is still here with all of us. This is a brilliant concept and those of you "slamming" this... have know idea of how it works. Actually a few of you do because at the moment I am sure you are tring to replicate it. (you know who you are). You are not going to succeed because you actually have to care about human beings to make this work. I am sure that a few of you are mortgage brokers that are doing this, but people are in these postitions because of people like you. Now, you see a chance for people to get out of these raping rates, and you want them screwed again. You people amaze me. Let him do this, Although I was not in these bad rates, He is helping me and Many of my friends. People can make their own descisions. You are all road blocks and delaying the process, and I am sure by the way you all talk on here, swearing and yelling and talking down to people, you are not out to warn people, you are just sad little people with no work that we all need to feel sorry for.
by realestateguru March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

Also it amazes me how you all think he is hiding. Please if you will each of you on this site who are looking for him could you tell me your names, address´, where you are right now, social security numbers, Phone numbers, first borns if you have then I will know if you are legit. Then I will just google you and tell you all how smart I am because I can find out if you have girlfriends/boyfriends in other countries. Then I will find one of your deliverance relatives and have them talk about the good old days when you were such a jerk for not buying them a NEW car after they had crashed their car. Boo hoo. Give me a break. He does not need to tell you his info. Why dont you call up presidents of other companies and see if you can find all of their info. I mean, you all act like you are entitled to this info and none of you are in the program or have any idea of the workings of it. Think about it. again, so sad.
by realestateguru March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

realestateguru,

Give me a call I would like to have a word with you!

Andrew Pullen
by nozzleman87 March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

realestateguru

You are a mental midget!

You have no concept of the mortgage business. Like I said, this guy can write loans til hell freezes over, it has no bearing on me or my biz.

I do know a scam when I see one. THIS IS A SCAM.
by dead eye March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

Has anyone NOT been refunded their 1%. Please DO tell.
Oh and another thing, ain´t anonymity great?!
Please, if you can id me or any others, DO IT.
Until then, this is ALL rumors and gossip.
If you know who i am, then email me already, i will reply, no, really, i will, seriously, no wait, come on, i will, i promise, really
by jimbo_hansen March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

Hehe, this is getting good!

Seems it does´nt matter what you say, some people only wanna hear what they wanna hear.
The fact remains, you are not going to get what you want people. When the time comes, all of us believers are going to say we recieved our loans. However, are we going to say who we are, give you our names, addresses, phone numbers and other information so you can look us up and see for yourselves? NO, and you know that. So why are you here?
I think realestateguru figured it out!!! And the more you talk your NEGATIVE BS, the more others will figure it out!!!
Time always tells the story!!!
Its just to bad some of us try to help and get this NEGATIVE BS in return!
I dont think theres any help for some of you! I think you were born in your own misery and you prefer to stay there!!!
Where is STEVEN SEGAL when you need him......lol.
He´d straightin you ass´s out!!!

OH.....hi realestateguru......hope all is well...:-)
ACM


by A Conscious Mind March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

realasstateguru,

Please show me where I stated that anyone has lost their money. Also, it sounds like you are blaming Ticor for all the money issues now. What is your reason for that?
You state that you and your friends are closing the loans by the end of the month. I am eager to see what happens in the next couple of weeks, if anything.
I do agree with you on one thing; that Robert has changed your life.


by CBOofTN March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

matter of fact - nobody has completed their loan that is posting here, right? everyone that is posting in favor of their messiah "Bob" is telling everybody who thinks "Bob" is a flake/scammer that "when" they close their loan - everyone is going to see for what a great guy Bob is and how wonderful his program is...etc...etc...

O.K., just let us know when you "complete" your process, until then - your pipe dreams mean nothing!!

People have been smoking the same pipe for over 7 months now....
by ocean tech March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

Dead eye, I can tell by your grace and poise that you must being doing very well in the "biz". Good luck, I hear the fast food chains are still busy. Get those resume´s out!
by realestateguru March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

there there ocean tech. :( LOL. Good question Jimbo, ask ocean tech or any of the other haters to give you one person who has not had their money returned. They will not name one person. Some should be calling Ticor to get their money back but it never went to ELT.It was so easy, the two friends of mine called, sent a copy of their check to them and went and picked it up. No one is out. It´s silly really that these guys are so worked up about this. getting insurance binders ready for loans~ one step closer to the date. Get your tissues ready.
by realestateguru March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

CBO. Quit making more problems. I´m not blaming Ticor, simply stating that they are still holding the checks so if people want them back go get them. It is that easy. Mannnnnnnnn, seriously. Do your research as you may, maybe someday you will actually get it right.
by realestateguru March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

Ocean, you nailed it.

When talking about a loan, what type of person would even use the phrase ´changed my life´? A salesperson perhaps?

14 days from now, realasstateguru should be showing some proof of that dream loan that he and his friends are getting.


by CBOofTN March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

What a concept, a loan that could change a persons life!!!
Must be a scam....lol!!!
by A Conscious Mind March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

It´s certainly changed my life!!!
i no longer have to watch movies, play video games, have sex, etc. etc. LMMFAOROFLOMGLOLZ
by jimbo_hansen March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

why jimbo,
I gather, your no longer bored?
Its all a waste of time anyhow.........well except for the sex part!!!


by A Conscious Mind March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

CBO you got it. If you would like me to call you I will. Just leave your number. I have nothing to hide.
by realestateguru March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

hello everyone, as asked earlier by Andrew Pullen, I called him. I said "Hello Andrew this is Realestate Guru. He replied "I have no idea what you are talking about", and hung up. Whoever Nozzleman is using Andrew´s name, you should probably be more sly. Everyone should call him and show that he is not who he says he is. pathetic.
by realestateguru March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

Are you a licensed real estate agent in WA Realestateguru? I don´t know where you have been but prices in WA are down. I will give some credit to you as they haven´t fallen as sharply as other parts of the country, but within the last year average prices here have fallen 6-10%.
People are now owing more then what the property is worth. To add to that the assessed values have gone up (ironic) and with that went the property taxes.

Why are so many people having to walk away from their homes? The answer is when they got the mortgage they were irresponsible. Had they better prepared for the mortgage to adjust they wouldn´t be in the situation they are. Owning a home takes responsibilty and if you lose your home it´s only because of your own actions. Now people are wishing on this fictious man (Baschmann = Rumpelstiltskin)
to bail them out. So what he is supposed to do is take 1% of the loan, and invest that into high money market accounts (Turn straw into gold) and somehow pay off your loan if you are refinancing, or pay the seller. Seeing how the market has been over the last couple of years I am doubting he can make much.

I get the fact that Ticor has been involved in lawsuits before. What I fail to be able to put a finger on is why would someone other then a very desperate individual want to do business with a "company" that had to hack into another companies network to make them appear reputable. Hacking is a felony by the way. If you are on the up and up and legit wouldn´t you be added to their network in time? My mind also can´t comprehend the fact that this "company" is being investigated by the FBI, and it surely doesn´t have a good record on the BBB http://search.buffalo.bbb.org/codbrep.html?ID=140604824

I was told in early February they were taking all the loans they had and were securing an attorney to close the loans and those would be completed by the end of the following week. Well here we are middle of March and nothing has closed with the exception of that one loan. It´s public record and by doing a search for Empire Logging you can see just how many mortgages they have completed. Tax Parcel is 3793500650 in King County. Keep waiting and waiting and waiting. I wonder how long you can hold your breath?
by just_another_1 March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

The contact # for the bbb is good ol Michael Diamond
Michael Diamond Sevierville TN United States 865-406-4125

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2005-26,GGLG:en&q=865%2d406%2d4125

Is he pill peddler?
by dead eye March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

From the bbb link..

The BBB does not have a valid mailing address for this company. Mail sent to 10375 Abbott Hill Rd. has been returned, marked "undeliverable".

by dead eye March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

Sorry to say just another 1, but you may have been talking to the wrong people.
I need no schooling on real estate 101 in Washington, yes I am a liscensed agent in Wa. I am not saying at all that prices have not come down. As you said, we are just not as bad as the other areas of the US. As far as people needing to educate themselves before taking a loan, you know as well as I do that most people counted on their mortgage brokers to explain the loan. These mortgage brokers (which you obviously do not need a brain to do loans in most cases, since here in washington everyone jumped on the I WANNA BE A MORTGAGE BROKER wagon in the past year) are at fault as well for leading people to believe that these loans were good. Finance is a foreign language to most people and only the good mortgage people taught and educated on why those loans were bad ideas.
The horrible thing about what has happened is that there are so many disgruntled people who have been dismissed for doing exactly what they were not suppose to do and exxaggerating the program. These "agents" took it upon themselves to spread it all over the mortgage world before it was ready. It got so bad it DID sound like a scam. I waited a long time to do it due to that.
No one ever hacked Ticor. A man who I choose to leave off of here for his privacy issues even though he is a horrible person, "hacked" into Ticor by simply making a phone call to an inside friend, got a company memo and decided to send it out all over the email systems to "prove" ELT was a scam. I even received it from 2 people saying "see? Ticor does´nt want to do business with this company." Many people including some of my friends called Ticor and said "we recieved this memo on our email and we wanted to know more" Eventually leading Ticor to believe they were hacked. Hence the lawsuit. The lawsuit has no merit.
I realize things have taken longer than expected but it is due to these idiots such as Ms. Taken, ocean tech, rockfarmer, CBO and a few more. I know who they are. Each one of them worked for ELT and were let go for numerous reasons. Rockfarmer I do not believed worked for them but the others yes. DCbob is just an angry gal who is very confused and also never lost any money.
I understand the confusion that all of the people with the exception of a few that I am assuming are currently with ELT may have. It is a very complicated process but it is possible.
As of now, I am not holding my breath as I do not need to do so. NO ONE has lost their money, when someone comes forth and actually says that, then everyone can talk. I feel terrible for the people who have had to wait longer, they only have the people who took their loan apps and promised false ideas to thank. ELT never put anything on hold. Ticor did. Now they can give everyone their money back. If people want to stick with it as do I, then great. Enough with the warnings already. I am thrilled that there is a program to finally help people. I am saddend that there is so much anger from people and non hope in anything that is actually a good thing. Exhale. It´s all good. I would love to talk to anyone. Just leave your number.
by realestateguru March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

Thanks reg......:-)
by A Conscious Mind March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

The problem with the loans is not the brokers fault, it´s the fact people don´t read what they sign. The borker did what was asked of him with the resources the client had, if they didn´t qualify for a better loan they shouldn´t have purchased in the first place.

All that to the side. Hacking doesn´t have to be done by the individual wanting something, it´s usually hired out to an unknown source so they have someone to hide behind. Gee look at that, someone who had something to gain had someone else hack into the system. I have spoken to Ticor and I don´t know who your source is, but they aren´t allowed to discuss the case per the lawyer. I don´t care how good a friend you are, they are not about to jeopardize the case. Have you actually spoken to the FBI or to Ticor about this or are you like a horse with your blinders on and can only see in front of you. Look around, all the warning signs are in place but because of nieve or desperation people still see this as something good. When Martha says it´s a "Good Thing" I will believe it.
by just_another_1 March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

I feel so warm and fuzzy that there are so many people out there trying to save me from myself!!!!!!!!!
NOT!!!
by A Conscious Mind March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

Oh 1 or is it Jimbo_hanson, Are you stupid? if you are going to use email slang change it up a bit. "LMMFAOROFLOMGLOLZ" .You said that in your previous email today only you used Jimbo_hansen. Is that Laughing my MEGA fat as off. So now we all know that there is definatley one peron with multiple screen names.Nice try. ass.
signed, smarter than you
by realestateguru March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

More like dumber than dirt....
by dead eye March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

JA1-Jimbo_hansen-1 whoever you would like to use as your screen name. You are all the same person. Learn to read. I did not say that. I said that one source was googling himself to death one day and researching like crazy like all of you and one of his friends who works at Ticor had sent him an internal memo, which was meant only for employees only. Nothing to gain, just trying to help his/her friend prove that ELT was a scam. He then sent it out to all his friends and family which went on and on and on. Ticor recieved many calls asking about it. There is way more to that ridiculous suit that is just one factor. You are a moron. I know who you are. You are just lucky I am not the type to ruin people. You will ruin yourself.
by realestateguru March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

dead eye, how long did that take you to come up with that? OMG THAT WAS SO FUNNY! I can´t stand it. Why are you here? Go away Mosquito.
by realestateguru March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

rag

no time at all

just playing with a dumb ass!

how long did it take you to come up with "smarter than you"

Closing by the EOM you say, we will expect proof!

by dead eye March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

YIKES,

I WAS POST 666
by dead eye March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

Good one. What are you 5?
by realestateguru March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

Oh there will be proof, but who is we? you , yourself and ......YOU? There will be proof, don´t worry your pretty little head.
by realestateguru March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

5, is that your iq??

Looks like it since you are falling for this scam. Then of course, you are most likely part of the scam!

Rag, lmao at your user name and pushing this scam.

more like realestategump

good night!

14 days
by dead eye March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

realestategump


worry your pretty little head!

watch it, east coast here!

good nite gump
by dead eye March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

Awwwwwww. You have to be the wittiest person I know!realestategump? LOLOLOL That is soooooooo funny! My IQ 5? OMG where do you come up with this! Stop I´m splitting! Leave your number we should talk! I would love to steal some of your material for parties!
by realestateguru March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

Lost cause!!!
by A Conscious Mind March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

Wow, realestateguru, if you can figure out who I am and can piece together that I and Jimbo_hansen are the same person then you go right on ahead believing in Baschmann and all his cronies.
I´m sure I´m not the only laughing. Just do us all a favor and pull your head out of your a$$, I bet it smells just as bad as this whole Baschmann scheme.
by just_another_1 March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

So anyone can be a broker right guru??

Being a realtor is very tough. You are a glorifed taxi driver who takes people from house to house and then gets 3%. That seems fair enough.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

I spoke with an authorized rep there like I told you I would ACM. I gave them every benefit of the doubt to try and convince me that it was legit. Nothing would be done without the 1% fee. After I brought up my concerns he asked he how I found out about the lawsuit. He also told me there was no active investigation by the FBI which I told him was not true because I have a long time college buddy who works with the FBI that said the investigation is ongoing. After that he tried to get back to the benefits of the loan service without addressing my concerns. When I brought this back up needless to say that ended the conversation.

These people on here are not naysayers. They are fact finders who speak the truth. You are either work for them, smoke crack, or just that naive. I hope it is the first because NO ONE can be this naive. And don´t try to tell me you know things I don´t. I found out plenty of information about this process and what they want from you. There is nothing that you know that I don´t.

I also know this from an FBI contact. Needless to say certain person(s) tied to ELT have been "under scrutiny" for other instances that I cannot mention.

This is for everyone who wanted to know more about this company and how it operates. Good luck to you all and I hope those of you who have sent your 1% in get it back. I also hope those of you who were thinking about sending in 1% choose not to do so. But I cannot stop that.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 10, 2008



For your light reading guru.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

oh ok pres. How is it that everyone has a "friend" or "buddy" at the FBI? Like I said, If anyone wants to talk, leave your number. This is the fourth time I have asked. anyone anyone? bueller? bueller? anyone? I appreciate you thinking you know but unfortunatley I am certain that whomever you spoke to was not accredited.

oh and 1? seriously. You people amaze me with your name calling. it is 1 isn´t it, or is this dead eye again?
by realestateguru March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

Pres, as far as my statement on Mtg Reps. Here in Washington for Years they could walk in any company and say I wanna be a mtg broker. It was that easy. I never said the work was not hard. They´re simply just are not very many Good mtg brokers out there. It was just too easy. Half the guys who sell cars go and get their mtg license too. Just to make extra money. But you are right about us receiving 3%. Life is good for us. I dont drive a taxi though. I have an Escalade.:)
by realestateguru March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

hey 1 are you me?
hey realestateguru come ´ruin´ me w your Escalade you wanker
I may have to get a room here.

by jimbo_hansen March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

Pres,
If I were an authorized rep, I would´nt talk to you either! You ARE stupid!!! You must be rather young if you still dont realize your personality turns people off!!!
If your not getting the info you want, its not because it does´nt exist, or someone is hiding something. Its just none of your business!!!

by A Conscious Mind March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

To : realestateguru

I have contacted my lawyer now because of your slander (defamation of character ) towards me and others on this website, which remember with a court ordered subpoena can pull these records for your real identity ! You have now made yourself libel ( in case you aren´t aware of the meaning of that word )in a court of law for putting it into writing !
This website people came to for answers as I did trying to figure out what was going on with this company. I also have spoke to the FBI personally and know for a fact that there is an investigation at this current time over this company ! It is also against the Federal governmental laws to collect monies prior to the closing of any real properties in the United States of America !!! And if you continue with your behaviorism on this site , I will make sure that you never and I do mean never in your life sell another piece of real state if that indeed is what you do for a living ! Mark my words ! I will not tolerate your constant poor character or behaviorism any longer. Just keep it up ! You are creating your own demise. I will ask you now one time and only one time for you to resend the comments that you have made and apologize for any harm that you have caused towards me ! If not then I will personally have my lawyer press forward with taking action against you !
by rockfarmer March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

Oh, now Im ROFLMAO...........nothing is dumber than a rockfarmer........except mabe a rock!!!
by A Conscious Mind March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

ACM
there was a time on this earth when stoning someone to death was legal !
by rockfarmer March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

So you have a $50,000. Suburban, Congratulations.
If you think owning a Gas Guzzler and making all those payments makes you a better man, so be it.
He (realestateguru) doesn´t drive a taxi, he drives a short bus.

by just_another_1 March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

ummmmm. LOLOLOLOLOLOL! ok. Soooooo I have slandered an anonymous person? Who on here is not gonna call or do business with Rockfarmer? For that matter, who feels like Mr. Rockfarmer lost any of his incredible credibility. Oh I am sorry, Mr. Rockfarmer. I had no idea this was your real name. Please apologize to Mrs. Rockfarmer for me. LOL! Im just a person waiting for my loan to close.:) LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! I am sure your atty will love weeding through all of the profanity said by the hundreds of others to say..."NO NO NO.....guru. You dont say facts and opinions on a free will blog site to people who can´t take it. You hurt my clients feelings. You found his button." Bad Guru. LOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! Please apologize to the Rockfarmer employees and any other Rockfarmer family members this may have caused pain to. I would be willing to take out an add in the Rockfarmer times to apologize. Please send a christmas card so we can see any new little rockfarmers over the years. Until then, Go rock yourself mr. farmer.
by realestateguru March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

Just one more thing.
Behaviorism?:
(be·hav·ior·ism) (be-hāv´yər-iz-əm) a school of psychology founded by John B. Watson that regards as the subject matter of psychology only overt actions capable of direct observation and measurement and ignores unobservable mental events such as ideas and emotions.
OR
Belief that learning results in a change in the learner´s behavior. The focus of behaviorists is on the outputs of the learning process. ...
OR
well maybe you meant behavior? I dunno. anyway. I AM SO SORRY AGAIN. You Rock my world
by realestateguru March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

OH you found a way in again Dcbob. How´s business? :) Guess not very good now. I feel so sorry for you Karma.
Whats the saying? Karmas a bitch? I guess so. Hope all is well! You go girl!~

by realestateguru March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

What? who are you talking about? I dont know you. But just so you know you also spelled conned wrong. tisk tisk.
by realestateguru March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

um it´s Schram. Man you are on a roll.
by realestateguru March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

I was talking about the mtg business you idiot. If you have personal issues you need to take them up with that person. Ask Rockfarmer. Putting people´s real names on here is a NO NO. I learned my lesson earlier. SLANDER coming in HOT!
by realestateguru March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

Jesus loves you.:)
by realestateguru March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

oh sweetie, you spelled that wrong too. Goodnight!
by realestateguru March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

why did they take down Robin´s posts on meeting Bashmann in D.C. and meeting his military partner´s and collecting $70k and all that other bullshit she posted?????? is this a conspiracy?
by deja vu March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

LOL! and now to the days of our lives. Why has this all turned to a new person? We were talking about the validity of this program. What is your point on this? now its just obvious you have a vendetta. please see rule 3: Try not to be a nuisance to others. Take your personal probelms with this person to another thread. None of the people on here today know eachother and you two come in ranting and raving about 1 woman. it was all funny banter and now you are turning it personal. Did you lose money Karma? inquiring minds want to know.

by realestateguru March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

Well this Big Boy needs to sleep. One last thought and never again. Can´t we all just get along? People make their own choices. Do it or don´t, it´s all up to you. I´m still thrilled to be a part of it. I promise when my loan closes it will be the next time you hear from me. Good night all! it´s been fun! No offense to anyone. It´s all in jest. It´s just funny how much people get involoved in one topic.
by realestateguru March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

Has anyone heard of Seahorse Resource Services 2901 Perry Ave suite 203 bremerton, wa 98301
by tonysworldwv1 March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

3 million sperm and this is the best your fathers could do??

I am sorry guru. You drive a high price taxi. Sorry about that. My mistake.

See, I knew guys that sold shoes were getting their real estate license where I live.

ACM. BLAH! BLAH! BLAH! Same line different post.

Pres,
If I were an authorized rep, I would´nt talk to you either! You ARE stupid!!! You must be rather young if you still dont realize your personality turns people off!!!
If your not getting the info you want, its not because it does´nt exist, or someone is hiding something. Its just none of your business!!!

by A Conscious Mind March 17, 2008

Calling me stupid was a great comeback though for your third grade education. Kudos (that means congratulations) on that.


The information is out there. I talked to an authorized rep and heard the sales pitch. Ken and I talked for about 15-20 minutes about the 4% fixed loan and how it works and how it is designed to put the power back in people´s hands. I got all the information I needed to know it is horsesh-t.

I have been in the business for 12 years. I own my own shop and have dozens of LO´s that I have employed. So I do know a little about the mortgage business. I do admit I don´t know everything and I am always willing to learn from more experienced people. This is why I frequent the grapevine. I have learned one thing. This loan does not exist and it is nothing but a scam.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

r/eG,

Just to reply to your comment, why would I post my number for you to call me? Why would I even want to talk to you on the phone?

We now have 13 days to see if you and your friend´s loans close. I don´t want anyone to lose their money. I hope that if the loan doesn´t check out, then the refunds are issued promptly. I would be happy for all the applicants if the loan is legit, but common sense tells us that this is some kind of fraud.

Jesus changed my life, not Robert Bauschmann.


by CBOofTN March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

Wow, all of you need to get a life! I am off for a few days and more garbage. Mr. Baschmann still has not been arrested nor has he had anything seized. IF the FBI were doing an "active" investigation many people would have been called and questioned. People posting negative comments need to stop slandering people they don´t even know for personal reasons they have drummed up in their head (we all know who that is) shame on all of you. Be the best person you can be if you let negativity in your life that is all you will attract. I still have the faith.
by Velma March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

"CBO. Quit making more problems. I´m not blaming Ticor, simply stating that they are still holding the checks so if people want them back go get them. It is that easy. Mannnnnnnnn, seriously. Do your research as you may, maybe someday you will actually get it right.
by realestateguru March 17, 2008 "

Lets look wayyyy back in postings... I had spoken directly with the Ticor manager in charge of this fiasco. She said the funds WERE NOT HELD IN ESCROW but delivered DIRECTLY AND IMMEDIATELY to Baschmann´s account in NYC.

If Ticor is refunding checks I would have to believe they are doing it from their own pockets to avoid any law suit from "investors".

I can´t beleive this post is still going. I can´t beleive I checked!
by nonbeliever March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

Ummmm Velma, Baschmann hasn´t been arrested that is true, however he was supposed to be served with court papers and if you read the documents it shows all the attempts to serve him. I believe he gave a false address, was to be served at a hotel but refused to come out of his room and the hotel clerk wouldn´t release the information to the gentleman serving the papers. I believe they had also tried to serve him via Certified mail which was also returned because the person at the address wasn´t him nor had they ever heard of him. Now I may be wrong on all the details of that as it has been a while since I read it all but I am certain of this HE IS HIDING. If I made thousands of broken promises to people I would hide too, I am sure he has a $$ amount for his head. If you an unsure there is an active FBI investigation refer to my earlier post that included the agent to contact. I am not against this program because I don´t believe in it, I am against it because there are too many facts showing it to be a scam or fraud. You can´t get accused of racketeering for being an honest person and helping the public.

You all know how a Pyramid Scheme works, this is just about the same thing, making the man at the top richer.
I too believe this thread has turned a corner and got off track but it was entertaining.
I am betting we won´t hear from realestateguru again as he stated that was the last time until his loan funds. We are waiting.
by just_another_1 March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

by drama March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

Time for me to leave too! Have at your misery people!
If Jesus changed any of your lives, then you sure got the wrong idea!!!


by A Conscious Mind March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

Hello,
I am one of the many who put my money in. I am not an any of he above mentioned problems like an arm or financially screwed so I am willing to take the risk on the measly sum I have in. If it works? great. I put my money in back in January. I wrote my check to Ticor. I called Ticor and they said If I want my check back all I need to do is put it in writing and show a copy of the check. They will refund it right away. About 1 month ago I got a call from a Rep who I think was mentioned above. I could not remember her name since I was shocked I was being called at all since the guy who took my loan has changed his number, along with a lady named Alana. She said that they were still indeed working on my loan. She made me feel better about it at the time. Then I got on some website Global something. Lame site but had numbers. So I called and talked to a woman there.(argumentively intelligent) She said that I was still in the system but we had to go in order. They were funding everyone else´s loan that had been in the system way longer then me. some even back to August. She said that she is the only one along with a man named Ken that should even be contacted, that all other agents have no control. Even though it seems like they are a bunch of monkeys with a football, It´s borderline professional conversation, just sesems a little uneducated.They have a lot of information about "bob" and are freely giving it. I asked them a lot of the questions you all have posted and they are talking like parrots. I even found out where Bob is. I think someone said he was hiding. Per them he is in Washington D.C. there you have it. If it works it works.If it does I will have to agree, I will be on the I LOVE BOB train. If it does work, then Bob needs to be hailed. I am not holding my breath. I dont know about Realestateguru´s time frame but by the end of the month would be great. we´ll see. I let you know if I get duped but it seems to me that I can pull out at anytime through Ticor. In any case Thanks Bob for trying. I hope this helps. If anyone is in the system call Annette. She says she is the Head in Charge. It helped me get some answers.

by drama March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

Thanks Drama......:-)
by A Conscious Mind March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

Oh Fyi they hve since taken their number off the site but there is an email
https://www.globalsolutions4all.com
ask for Annette or Ken, if you get the number
by drama March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

PPG, Who is the rep you talked to? Are reps numbers public knowledge now? A lot has changed obviously since I started. I would like to talk to them too. I have a few friends in this as well and we just want to talk to as many people as we can. We are not afraid of losing our money after talking to Ticor butjust all the info we get from the horses mouths would be great. Annette seemed to know a lot in her words but I would love to see how the reps handle it. Like I said my rep is long gone. Canned I guess.
by drama March 18, 2008

by drama March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

drama,
Reps. numbers are not for the public.....please do not post any. At this time no more residential applications are being excepted. Hopefully they will be again sometime in the future when they workout a better system.
Inquire about your loan via email on the site you mentioned.
ACM
by A Conscious Mind March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

Micheal Diamonds ph.# 865-465-3765
Phone: 888.672.9222
865-286-9301

Why aren´t reps numbers public information? Hmmm could it be because they are being harassed or people want answers. How do you know they aren´t intended for the public? Are you in some sort of special "group" that shares all the secret info? The idiots "company" don´t have any secrets other then how they think they can take peoples hard earned money and sit on a beach sipping a Margarita. As far as I am concerned any company looking to make itself look reputable should have their phone numbers available. How stupid can you be to be involved in a lawsuit about a product you offer yet you hide by not publishing contact info, a real address, or in this day and age a real website. It´s hosted by GoDaddy.com for crying out loud, for a company as "rich" as they claim to be they should be able to afford a web designer and pay more than 4.50 a month.

And furthermore as far people getting the wrong idea about Jesus changing their lives, you must be Satan himself. Apparently you are a follower and give in easy to temptation or you wouldn´t be here in the first place looking for reassurance that this is a "legitimate program". Too many people almost fell for this load of crap and you are so deep into that your only way out of it is to "hope" Grab a lamp and rub it, see if a magic genie pops out. You have just as much chance of that happening as this being a real program.

by just_another_1 March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

by hardtohear March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

just_another_1,

Well said. They dont want to be harrassed, but they have no problem calling me at all hours of the night from a private number and harrassing me and my fiance. I have no problem with other people calling me that are just looking for information, but whoever you are that keeps calling from that private number and bothering me; Please stop.
by nozzleman87 March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

Per ACM

At this time no more residential applications are being excepted.

Looks like all of them are excepted!


by dead eye March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

GLOBALSOLUTIONS4ALL.COM
+1.3 Phone
2901 Perry Ave #203
Bremerton , Washington 98310
United States
www.globalsolutions4all.com
admin@eltllc.com Business Type(s):Real Estate > Commercial;Real Estate > General;Sales & Marketing > Marketing;Operating Hours:Monday thru Friday 8:00 am - 4:00 pm PST]
Closed weekends and holidaysDescription:funding and marketing solutions for busiensses of all sizes

I wonder if the bar that is in the strip mall is running this out of the liqueor room (maybe that´s the problem), maybe it´s the card shop there. I would suggest since I don´t have the time that someone google that address and start calling the little shops that are in the same building. Someone there is bound to know about #203 and will be willing to talk. I am actually headed to Bremerton on Friday and just might stop in and see what kind of show they are running. My guess it involves big shoes and red noses.

by just_another_1 March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

ja 1
How about you post your phone number here!!! The answer to that is why you should´nt post others either.
Why do they use 555 numbers on tv programs and movies! Why do I have to explain this to you, OH, because your just_another_IDIOT!!!
As far as JESUS is concerned, he was trying to teach the IDIOTS of his age, the one that had no conscience, the ones that their minds were´nt fully developed into consciousness that GOD is in them and they are in him! In other words, they are their own masters, thay need to think for themselves instead of looking to a higher authority for answers.
There is no SATAN, you´ve been brainwashed by the Mystics of this world that took Jesus´ teachings and used it to hold you in a state of fear and guilt. Never using your mind as nature intended! Think for yourselves man! I did and I dont see things the way you do. I see someone trying to help me! You see someone trying to keep something from you and I dont blame them, your and IDIOT!!!
We dont need you to protect us (exposing a scam etc.)we can get alone in life fine without your approval.
Get over it dude! Go back to your tv drama´s, it will be better for all of us!!!

ACM


by A Conscious Mind March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

dead head, I meen dead eye!
What the He11 are you talking about?
by A Conscious Mind March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

ja IDIOT,
About the jesus thing, why dont you start a thread about that now, you would´nt want that scam to get out!!!
by A Conscious Mind March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

dead head, let me rephrase that. No more new res. aps. are being excepted!!!
by A Conscious Mind March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

Alone is right. "We dont need you to protect us (exposing a scam etc.)we can get alone in life fine without your approval." I believe it´s along in life without .......
I am not running a business so my number is not necessary, if I were and I were trying to prove something to the public than my number would be available on everything that had my name on it. The 555 numbers are for TV and everyone knows that, but I bet you tried to call CSI or Law and Order using those numbers , hardly a comparison. The least you could do is use a spell checker or read what you write first. You are so pissed off that you can´t even type right.

Religion topic needs to be left alone, you can believe what you want as far as that goes. I know what is the truth. The Easter Bunny is real.
by just_another_1 March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

Dimwhit it´s ACCEPTED !
by just_another_1 March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

Dimwhit it´s ACCEPTED !
by just_another_1 March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

Dang it I miss everything lately. Could have torn rock boy up with my left brain lobe and spit him out my ear
by I Love Words March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

ACM

Just what it says. Applications have been excepted.

I except the title dead head, since it is from you!!

You might want to ask Gump!
by dead eye March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

You brought it up IDIOT, not me!
You used the religion card and now your holding back! I say this Loan program needs to be left alone instead of using it as intertainment to passify yourself. What, did your mother breast feed you too long, then cut you off so now your feeling left out!!!
Get over it and leave this loan program alone!!!
by A Conscious Mind March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

It aint no loan program, MUTTON HEAD. Its FRAUD. A FIGMENT of the imagination. A pipe dream. A snare to catch IMBECILES. Whats that around your ankle??
by Jose Morales March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

Ja 1, At least you can spell, see, go do that instead seeing your so good at it! Just go away!
Accepted.
Accepted.
Accepted.
Wow, I cant believe I axually learned something from you..........lol!
by A Conscious Mind March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

I love how you assume and sterotype all people on here as being male.

I bet if you and the other two believers in this program would stop adding their one cent (Baschmann has the other one) this thread would stop. What proof do you have to back this up that this is real. So many people have come to this thread with information to backup their claims against this, yet you still try to assume it´s real without backing up your claims. Provide this thread with something to go on, real hard proof something we can see for ourselves and perhaps you can persuade others to jump on your wagon (I bet the wheels are wobbley). Maybe it´s because you have been excepted.
by just_another_1 March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

Not assuming anything, I have enough information, I´ve made an informed decision, no thanks to you!
Did I spell all that right?
by A Conscious Mind March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

Lets check your theory ja 1.
I´m outta here, I´ll check back in 2 weeks to see if this thread is still here, im sure it will be.
I´ll even bet that more people have joined seeing that misery loves company.
Later fools!!!

by A Conscious Mind March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

Going into hiding????

13 days
by dead eye March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

A FOOL and their money is... well, you know the rest.
by JustplainMarvin March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

If you haven´t figured out the scam yet, try these:
Ken Malmborg 360-621-4715
Tom Themelis 866-548-2040

They represent themselves as agents for Empire, probably hustling their relatives and friends, and in all liklihood posting some of the idiotic messages on this site.
Please post results and comments.
by J. Edgar Hoover March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

Whoa Ken

http://jerrygilbert.net/NSIG%20Investors.htm
by dead eye March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

Ken is kinda ugly!
http://jerrygilbert.net/
by dead eye March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

Oops Jerry is kinda ugly



by dead eye March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

move on with your lives people!
You are right, it is my bed time
by dead eye March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

Inspector,
That´s a pretty good post! However, it is wrong as far as my name is concerned. I am a consumer/commercial lender at a local bank. I have no affiliation with any company stated here and I only have 1 screen name. I stand by any post that I made earlier. I am really just looking for some hard proof that any of this is legit or a fraud.
I think that realasstateguru might be Dr. Claw.


by CBOofTN March 19, 2008 12:00 AM

by morenews March 19, 2008 12:00 AM

what about SeaHorse Resource Services, LLC located at 2901 Perry Ave Bremerton, WA 98310 that is the name on the loan app that is being used now for commercial loans not residential. I was told that the residential aspect of this program was halted and that there will only be commercial loans made. I have not given any $$$ yet but I am being told that I can pick the escrow agent. What about Michael Diamond??
by morenews March 19, 2008 12:00 AM

Nice job on your theory Inspector, but I am not affiliated nor ever was affiliated with the company. I half applied for a refi loan, by that I mean I left off all info that could damage me. I applied that way for a very specific reason, I know any legit lender, mortgage company, broker would have to have all my personal info to approve or not approve me. I was skeptical about the program the first day I had heard about it. They never called to ask for anymore info, so I called them to get a status update, they apparently never received the app, however I have a email receipt showing that it was sent and read. I wasn´t willing to give them info they could use to damage me and I wasn´t ready to caugh up 1%. I wasn´t dumb enough to fall for the scam and they knew it and didn´t want to proceed. After I questioned the rep about the legal proceedings and had notified him I had talked to the FBI and Ticor all of a sudden they stopped taking my calls and wouldn´t return messages. If they aren´t trying to scam and defraud people they should release info explaining why the accusations are false. They are like deer caught in the headlights.
by just_another_1 March 19, 2008 12:00 AM

I LOVE this site. I go away for a week or so and things really blow up.

This site is better than any drama on television. Kudos to all the posters who keep this thing going.

I made a prediction to one of my friends about this site about 2 weeks ago.

I said, and I quote: "Wait and see if this site and the people that are asking questions about this program will be blamed if this whole thing turns out to be a scam. People will say that it´s all the doubters that ruined the opportunity of a lifetime for us common folk"

And sure enough I see whispering of those kinds of statements starting to take place. In the form of "They´re not going to take any more residential apps due to all the negative press that they are getting" and so on.

How is just doing commercial loans supposed to help the "average man" who is struggling to keep his house?

I was under the impression that this whole thing was supposed to help the average home owner. I seem to remember the phrase "Humanitarian Loan" being thrown around here quite a bit.

And "We are changing the rules, putting the power of money back in your hands!"

I guess that should now say, ("Only if you are doing commercial loans")

After watching this site for over a month I still have no idea how the program works. The only thing I get is that "I must have faith in the program if I want to participate."

And that I am a loser or naysayer if I ask intelligent questions that anyone with ANY capacity to reason would ask.

I would still love for this to all be true but have to say that if the best ELT can muster to promote their program is ACM and people like that, then they are really going about this the wrong way.

Post something worth reading on a website that the regular folks can look at and gain some understanding.

The easiest way to stop bad press is to put the truth out for people to see.

So far I have seen nothing but smoke and mirrors.

A good PR firm could end all this bad publicity in about an hour. Put a add in the paper with REAL numbers that folks can contact ELT about and ask questions. Get a press release......something.

When an obscure website is fielding most of the questions and answers about a company and the people that are answering these questions are operating under aliases........that’s remarkably messed up.

Anyways, the clock is ticking and I guess we will all find out in about 2 weeks when all these loans are "Guaranteed" to close.

Sigh...........



by lett0 March 19, 2008 12:00 AM

I think you may have put the few "believers" to rest lett0. You are exactly right.
by nozzleman87 March 19, 2008 12:00 AM

I cant remember who the person is who got my number from this site and called me several days ago about the animals they were taking care of in the house in NY. I am sorry we were disconnected and just to give you closure because I know you are upset about the situation. You were right, the house is destroyed and both of my parents are extremely upset. My grandparents were trying to clean it, but I think it may be too late as it is not suitable to be lived in. The animals are being taken care of properly now and either someone is going to adopt them or they are going to the SPCA. Feel free to call me if you have any more questions.

Andrew Pullen
by nozzleman87 March 19, 2008 12:00 AM

khal
by dead eye March 20, 2008 12:00 AM

Has anyone heard of a Dick Dalton?
by nozzleman87 March 20, 2008 12:00 AM

Nozzleman87

No I have not heard that name before ? Where did you hear of that name Dick Dalton ?
by rockfarmer March 20, 2008 12:00 AM

by drama March 21, 2008 12:00 AM

POT STIRRERS. Doug Fresh right?
by drama March 21, 2008 12:00 AM

Someone mentioned the name when we were discussing the commercial loans. It may be some made up name that they gave the individual who was asking about the loan, but they said he (Dick Dalton) was the man with the money. I was just curious as to why they didn´t say Robert Baschmann is the man behind the money as they had in the past.
by nozzleman87 March 21, 2008 12:00 AM

To Drama, I am not this man you call Doug Fresh ! I am as stated before a friend of someone who has sent in money and is still waiting for they´re loan to close - supposedly ! And my lawyer knows this to be fact !I have never stated on this site anything untrue ! And I can also prove that ! I do not appreciate your accusations towards me in any form ! I am someone concerned as many others here.

Nozzleman87,
My research after reading your post on here lead me to a - Richard J. Dalton Jr in Melville, New York whom it states is a writer for News Day newspaper ( Newsday.com ). It states that he writes the Bi - weekly Consumer watch column dealing with a host of consumer-protection issues -- loan fraud, title insurance scams and retail/service problems. I don´t know if this is whom the name they mentioned to you, but this might be . It´s I find ironic that in my search that this individual writes on issues related to the very issue here at hand !I searched the news paper for any issues regarding the company ELT and also tried searching under Baschmann Jr and could not find any articles at this time.
by rockfarmer March 21, 2008 12:00 AM

Thankyou rockfarmer for your research and yes it is very ironic.
by nozzleman87 March 21, 2008 12:00 AM

Sorry about that Doug. I´ll leave out the fresh. Who has their money in? They should just call Ticor like my friends did. They got their money back in a day. Or are they still holding on? Like I said a while ago, My money is in as well but I am holding on, and willing to take the chance, my loan is not big but it seems to me you are doing more harm in helping get the loans closed by your rants on here. If your friend has money in and wants it back, go get it. If not you should stop all of this. I don´t know if they are actually going to go through but why put up any obstacles if it is trying to work. My theory is Love it or leave it. I have read all your above talks throughout the thread and you should probably have your friend back out and get their money. You don´t sound like a concerned friend, you sound angry at that Robin person. You say you are just concerned....help your friend and just stop all of this crap. If you are so concerned just go get the money back and end it.
by drama March 21, 2008 12:00 AM

To Drama,

My name is not Doug ! That I can assure you of ! I am not putting up any obstacles for I am merely stating facts ! I have found out today that all files are in the possession of A. M. - a person whom has also applied and sent in money for a loan with this ELT company and is a volunteer in this company at this point to help out the owner of this company ! They stated to me that they have all the files in they´re possession where they´re business is located but would not state that location. I was told by a rep that the files when leaving they´re office were supposedly to go to a processing center to be looked at by a lawyer that handles Escrow accounts for closing transactions ! Why then are these files in possession of someone whom is not a lawyer or an employee of ELT ?
by rockfarmer March 21, 2008 12:00 AM

Doug, I know that is your name because dcbob/karma who has since been removed said that you loaned her friend money. I´m confused as to why you have stated you have a friend in the system, and yet you are talking to A.M. to get your information. So my question to you is, do you or don´t you have a friend in the system or are you just trying to get back at somebody? Everyone on here is so predictable, I could have told you what you were going to say next. Again, do you or don´t you have a friend in the system. It´s a simple question.
by drama March 21, 2008 12:00 AM

Drama, I have a friend with an application and money put in for financing with Empire Logging Company ! Again I iterate to you that my name is NOT Doug ! I am NOT trying to get back at anyone ! I am just stating facts !
How is it since you don´t even know who I am that you seem to be some psychic ?
Tell me brilliant one what am I thinking at this moment ?
There´s a saying --
Ignorance is curable but stupidity is forever !
by rockfarmer March 21, 2008 12:00 AM

by drama March 21, 2008 12:00 AM

Doug,

I´m not psychic, but you have a stupid girlfriend (dcbob/karma) that wrote some things on here. Perhaps you didn´t see it being that she has been recently banned twice, but she spilled the beans. I quote "Robin, if you wouldn´t have taken Doug and I out of the system you wouldn´t be getting as much s*3t you f@378ing b." In previous emails she referred to you rockfarmer as the one who helped bail her friend out. Jamie I think her name was. Maybe you missed that before she was banned. I don´t have to be psychic when something is typed out for me. Please move on with this. None of us want to hear about your love triangle on a blog that is supposed to be dedicated to mortgages. Try the chat rooms. -I hear they are fun.
by drama March 21, 2008 12:00 AM

Drama,
I am NOT a person you call Doug and I do not may I repeat here have a girlfriend ! I have a friend as I stated in my posts prior to this that has money into this ELT company. I can assure you that all I have stated on this site is accurate and true.I do not know who DCbob is nor do I know who Karma is although I did see here comments on here before but has since been removed. There is no love triangle here but what you do have is very concerned people whom have vested and invested money in this company and would appreciate honest and true answers to questions with regards to Empire Logging Co. LLC
You do not seem to be contributing anything nor have you been doing any investigating with issues to this company. After reading what you have on this site, Why is it that you are so reluctant to not pull your money out ? What are you -- The Drama Queen ? After all your alias on his is quite obvious what you are really all about. Spare me your personal data. Why don´t you get real ! I now know you are completely stupid for which there is no hope !Oh but maybe you have this great hope in things you cannot see !Get Real !And you´re right, you are also completely confused !
by rockfarmer March 21, 2008 12:00 AM

DOUG, After doing my "research" that you have asked for this is what I JUST found out. A.M is very helpful. Your name is Doug (rockfarmer) your Ex girlfriends name is Cynthia(dcbob/karma). She is losing her hair business and really needs this to close, only you have a problem don´t you? You loaned your ex the money for the loan and you pulled your money out early for reasons she(a.m) would not state, and now you are kinda ticked because you don´t wanna tell your ex...Dcbob/karma(whom recently found out that she is no longer in the system per her comments on here) that you asked for all your money back. ROCK and a hard place(no pun intended). Your question has been answered 3 times by me already. Why am I reluctant? stupid question, I am taking the risk.I dont have a lot of money invested and I want a great loan. If you want answers go to your friends rep....oh that´s right you sank that boat. btw my name is Mr. Drama to you.
Thanks Doug! I bet I can guess what you are thinking now. OH S@#&!
by drama March 21, 2008 12:00 AM

Dear Mr. Drama,

I love how you handled DOUG. Get a life DOUG....and, DRAMA can spell DOUG, way to go DRAMA, keep the faith!

by Velma March 21, 2008 12:00 AM

LOL! This is good!
I´m in!
DOUG DOUG DO DOUG BONANA NANA FO FUG MI MY MO MUG DOUG!DOUUUUUUUUG!
by realestateguru March 21, 2008 12:00 AM

Ooooh looks like we have fans. Also looks like DCbob/Karma just tried to get in on it. You know what I just figured out? DCBOB? Does that stand for DOUG CYNTHIA BOB? LOL! People are funny. It´s getting outta hand. Let´s leave Doug alone. He has a rockfarm to tend to.
by drama March 21, 2008 12:00 AM

realstateguru
Velma
Drama
How do know that I might possibly be a woman ?
by rockfarmer March 21, 2008 12:00 AM

Maybe DCbob stands for - DC ( in Washington DC ) and Bob short for Robert (Baschmann Jr ) ?
by rockfarmer March 21, 2008 12:00 AM

If you are a woman DOUG, grow a pair and dump Cynthia for good. SHe´s ruining your MOJO.
Give up. You will never out wit me.
by drama March 21, 2008 12:00 AM

Drama - who would want to. Your so brilliant and I am so impressed with your wit !You rock my world !
by rockfarmer March 21, 2008 12:00 AM

drama,

I dont need to outwit anyone because I know you are a liar and on here just to keep people who need credible information from getting it by starting a soap opera. Here is how witty you are, rockfarmer is someone I have spoken to several times and I can assure you, it is not a person by the name of doug. So you need to take your bs off of this website so people who want to talk about ETL can get information from people. I dont think it matters to anyone, other than you, what someones name is, they just want to hear their opinions about ETL. If you are so interested in everyones name then what is yours? And also, you are the one ruining your "mojo", but it is with your mouth.

Andrew Pullen
by nozzleman87 March 21, 2008 12:00 AM

I´m sorry, I just had to COME OUT OF HIDING just to thank drama.
Thank you drama......you made my day.:-)
ACM

by A Conscious Mind March 21, 2008 12:00 AM

nozzleman87
Thank you and so well put ! I love how you put out fires - literally ! It seems as though every time time I try to write information on this site to help american´s who are being -- led like a horse to water they take a drink without thinking - that maybe the water has been contaminated ! I guess they forgotten to think ! It seems they have lost they´re minds and are some where in la la land ! If you have any new info on issues with your uncles company that can be shared, please do so. My attempt is to help someone out there that may get sucked into his new company that claims they are only doing commercial loans. This could very well turn out to be an financial crash bigger than the Great Depression of 1929 which the President of the United States is trying to stop right now ! This could be catastrophic in the US from the amount of money taken from Baschmann Jr already at this time. I have not heard of any loans closing yet and doubt any will in the near future.
by rockfarmer March 21, 2008 12:00 AM

ACM
So you have gone into hiding ! I would to if I were you for you are someone I am sure many are looking for and we want some answers - pronto !
by rockfarmer March 21, 2008 12:00 AM

ACM

Any loans closing yet ? Just curious what you know or have heard ?
by rockfarmer March 21, 2008 12:00 AM

Give up. You will never out wit me.
by drama March 21, 2008

That one is just way to easy. I cannot even bring myself to do it.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 21, 2008 12:00 AM

What about Bob? sounds like a movie... A friend of mine asked me to look into Bob and see what portions of his story (stories) are true. A quick look at the court records shows that Bob couldn´t pay his bills (including fuel oil) and has multiple judgments in New York where he lives or did live. As a lumber trader/broker myself, after a brief conversation with him at the time, there isn´t enough lumber in Canada to do what he said he could do. In fact, his super secret squirrel lumber folks aren´t registered with ANY association that trades lumber. I know, I´ve worked with most of the large brokerage/trading outfits in the world in a past life.

If anyone looked into ELT, and traced the company info, one would find that the super secret government stuff is a legacy from the engineering company he purchased prior, in MI I think, and eventually changed the name to ELT.

I warned my friend away under the guise that, if it is too good to be true.. or if you prefer, It looks like ca ca, and smells like ca ca, sure...you be the one to taste it,...
by smokeandmirrors March 21, 2008 12:00 AM

Ok Doug, Andrew, his name IS Doug. You are talking over the phone, he could say he was anyone. His partner in crime(Cynthia) gave him away. She said she is going to spend every waking minute ruining that rep Robin´s life. Doug had something going on with the two of them, business or not I don´t know. Now it is just getting ugly. His name IS Doug and he has a revenge plan. Too bad so sad.

"I guess they forgotten to think" written so Eloquently by Doug. Let´s not forget how this all started to sway from the Mortgage questions. Dc bob/karma and Rockfarmer. Brilliant minds I tell ya.
By the way, My name is JT and those are not just my initials. It´s actually JT. Just FYI. Discuss.
by drama March 22, 2008 12:00 AM

Drama
Why is it that you continually avoid the issues with regards to the ELT company ? Your name calling is something childish as if you are still in high school ! Grow up !
I will hand over this information to my lawyer on this site that you keep posting here which I am sure my lawyer can put a halt to you and your accusations of misinformation.
I have tried to help people coming to this site for facts that I can prove and by doing so hope to help those whom have been taken advantage of by this company.
The following is information I gathered yesterday when speaking to an agent representing this company !

I have stated several times that I am not a person you refer to named Doug ! My name is not pertinent. The issue on this site is for solid proof if anyone has for validity of Empire Logging & Timber Company LLC.
Yesterday I spoke with an agent who claims that Annette M picked up all files (completely everything related to this company ) and has taken them to her office in Bremerton, Washington. She arrived unannounced to the agents office and did not even give the agent time to copy docs for they´re records.It was told to the agent that she was going to take them to a processing center.It has come to my discovery that these files have never been taken to a processing center, in fact these files are still in Annette´s possession at her office.The agent did some research on this woman and found that she has NO back ground experience in processing, when in fact what she does have in property management experience only. I personally know of this type of work for I owned a multi - occupancy building for many years and also served on the board of The Rental Association in our community ! Very strange that all these peoples files are in the possession of someone with no background experience of this sort.
Now I have stated facts here that I can prove are true. I was also told that no loans are to be funded at this point until the issue with the law suit filed by Ticor Title are resolved !Face the facts - everyone whom has invested money in this company are at risk being continually hung out on a promise that will as it appears never be fulfilled ! This is an catastrophic issue at hand in the United States which is why the President of the United States has been putting laws and actions into place to put a stop to this type of companies from illegally taking advantage of the people in America.
If either of you or anyone else here can PROVE anything different other than your name calling - now is your opportunity to do so.
I commend you Nozzleman87 for your courage to come forward with the truths about your uncle for I am sure that these facts are guite a disappointment and an embarrassment to your family. I tip my hat of to you !
by rockfarmer March 22, 2008
by rockfarmer March 22, 2008 12:00 AM

ok doug.
by drama March 22, 2008 12:00 AM

You have enemies Cheshire Cat ? How interesting! What have you done in your life to create that ? Nice name you have chosen to identify yourself. I have nothing to hide nor do I have any enemies ! But I am an American citizen whom has a birth given right"freedom of speech" and I speak the truth. Are you someone who applied or sent in money to the ELT company ? If so, has your loan closed ? Please respond
by rockfarmer March 22, 2008 12:00 AM

Oooooh he must have been related cat. YOU GOT BANNED!!! Lolol!
by drama March 22, 2008 12:00 AM

Drama,
The reason for this is site is for items related to Empire Logging & Timber Co LLC and all you seem to be doing is causing problems - stick to issues related !
I ask you again, Has your loan closed and if so - when ?
If not, were you told when that might be ?
by rockfarmer March 22, 2008 12:00 AM

I had another friend of mine this morning email me with an email received yesterday from Empire Logging & Timber Co LLC whom had inquired with the company about they´re commercial loan program that they claimed to be now running. This person requested an application for they´re commercial loan program that they are offering on the website for Empire Logging & Timber - Globalsolutions4all.com.
The email came back to them in response from Annette that stated that at this time they are not doing any commercial loans but if they do in the future that they would contact this person and let them know.
So this is more facts that I am posting here as to the present status of this company. It seems as though everything with regards to this company has come to a stand still ! I just wanted this site to know the correct information and the information has been saved (the copy of the email from Annette ) in my computer system.

by rockfarmer March 22, 2008 12:00 AM

This is from their about us page..

If Empire collected two 1% deposits and then turned around and paid out two loans - that is like giving someone a dollar for every penny that they put up! Hardly a brilliant criminal scheme.

That´s a load of crap. They are implying two deposits = two closed loans. I am sure the deposits far exceed any loan disbursements they MAY have made!
by dead eye March 22, 2008 12:00 AM

I´m surprised that everyone is still stuck on the "smoke & mirror´s". All the money that is left in place, all the 1% sitting with escrow - is being "leveraged" daily, and even by the hour I´m sure. Bob is floating or kiting your monies. As more people that get frustrated and "pull" their 1% from the "pool" - that´s less monies Bob has to leverage!! The remaining keeps "rolling" day by day....


by ocean tech March 22, 2008 12:00 AM

ocean tech,

I am in no way saying that you are wrong, but I have been told by a very reliable source that his accounts are frozen. He can not access his accounts, but he may have withdrawn money before this occured in an attempt to get as much as he could and leave the immediate area. I will also tell you that today people went to the house he used to live in to try to get the animals he left when he took off. So that tells me two things. He is scared to show his face and is sending friends to take care of his business and I think that he either reads this blog or one of the people on here are him. I´m 99% sure that it is Omar Jackson, who started posting on here in mid february. Let´s just say that when someone posts comments on the internet from a computer, it is definitely possible to trace them.

Andrew Pullen
by nozzleman87 March 22, 2008 12:00 AM

sorry ocean tech, I just read your post and I understand what you are saying now about him getting interest off other peoples money. I still am sure that he can not access the money though.
by nozzleman87 March 22, 2008 12:00 AM

"O"mar "J"ackson.....how appropriate!

run O.J. run...haha LOL!!!
by ocean tech March 22, 2008 12:00 AM

My friend tried requesting they´re money back from Ticor Title Co. ! Ticor Title told them that they ( Ticor Title ) had cashed the cashiers check along with many others and those monies had been forwarded to the Bank of China located in New York at the request of Robert Bashmann Jr. prior to the date of filing suit on February 11, 2008. Upon Ticor Title filing suit on him and his company after monies had been sent, it was requested by the courts to freeze all bank accounts including Ticors Escrow account deposits related to this company and therefore any of those monies that had been forwarded were froze along with many others. Therefore Ticor was unable to refund them they´re monies at this time.
I´m sure it is true that interest is accruing on these monies but they are not at the disposal of Baschmann Jr.
My friend and I were told by the agent that Baschmann Jr had borrowed $250,000,000 from the bank of China. My concern is where have those monies gone? I don´t hear of anyones loans closing as of this date !
I keep asking anyone to come forward to see if any one out there has had they´re loan close.
by rockfarmer March 22, 2008 12:00 AM

Seriously. You are ridiculous. All of a sudden you have another friend in the system? When did you hear this? Yesterday when the banks were closed for Good Friday or today(Saturday) when no one was at Ticor. I am going to leave now for good. Doug get a life. Every loan is suppose to close when all this garbage is done. You are part of the garbage. Leave it alone now. Let this run its course then you along with myself will see if it is legit. I am waiting just as you say "your friend" is waiting. Of course we all want it to be true but you are saying you are a concerned friend, and It is all BS. You want this to fail because you are not a part of it. No one has claimed that there are more than one loan out there that is closed. Everyone is waiting still. WHy do you keep "asking" that? We are all hoping for the word soon, yes it may be "kool aid" but quit trying to make it worse. WHat is the worse thing that could happen? Ticor eventually unfreezes the accts and people get their money back and loans dont close. Or the opposite, loans close everyone is happy except for you because then others will be happy and not you because again, you are not in the system and either is the ex. You keep grasping at everything to make this non- legit. You are trying to will it not to happen. It must be so sad to be you. You are an unhappy person who has made poor decisions his whole life. A good choice for you now is to quit this BS. You are so predictable and you actually think this is helping your cause. It is not. The program is way more than you will ever know.You may be able to confuse people but you will never be able to stop it. It´s too good of a cause and you are a crap person for trying to stop it. Go get whats left of your hair cut before her business goes away, and get on with your life. Or jump on the wagon, be positive and start living your life the way you should. It is easier getting bees with honey.....just a tip.
by drama March 23, 2008 12:00 AM

Back in February I had spoken to Ticor as well and they did state any money they had been recieved for escrow due to ELT were deposited into the Bank of China in New York. They also reiterated that they had the account frozen because of the pending lawsuit. Any persons receiving a refund are those that sent in the earnest money after the date the suit was filed. All other money is still sitting in the Bank of China and will be dispursed accordingly once the suit is final. Or in ELT´s words, as soon as they close the deals that were to be handled using Ticor are closed. They say then Ticor will have no choice but to drop the suit, I myself fell differently. I still think even if they manage to close another single loan, they are in deep and in hot water.
by just_another_1 March 23, 2008 12:00 AM

just_another_1,

that is exactly what I was told. people who´s money made it to the bank of china before it was frozen is at risk of not being returned. who else is glad that drama is gone for good? anyway drama, I will leave you with a going away present. The reason people are upset, even if they may get their money back is because it is their GD money. Not Robert Baschmann´s, not ETL, not yours, it is theirs, and it is not in their posession so they are worried. These people have been lied to and scammed and they know it. Even if they do get their money back, they still dont get the loan they have been counting on for several months. Some people are actually depending on this loan to keep their homes or to have more financial freedom. So I for one do not have a loan with him but I definitely feel for those who do. Glad to see your leaving.

Andrew Pullen
by nozzleman87 March 23, 2008 12:00 AM

just another 1
Nozzleman87
You both are correct ! This whole deal with regards to the Empire Logging & Timber Co. LLC - is what is says LLC, meaning a Limited Liability Corporation which in turns is stating that it is limited funding. The other grave issue at hand is the fact that this could very well turn out to be one of the biggest Class Action Lawsuits in American history.
The American people have counted on this by being promised with written documents stating that they would have the ability to refinance,purchase or construct residential properties. Because the verbiage on the promissory notes reading " Robert Baschmann Jr (being the borrower) and also stating that his office is located at the residence of property ie : being refinanced, purchase etc.As I stated to my friend when was Baschmann Jr´s office ever at they´re home which alerted me right away ! My friend has never met this man nor has he ever had his office in they´re home (residence address )for the document states his office location is at my friends address ! By the way the promissory note reads it allows Baschmann Jr the ability to take control of the residential property and then with that the ability to go to any bank or any lending institute to borrow against that property. Also giving him any equity with the property for now he becomes the owner of the property and owns all these people money and they are left with him owing them money !This is the biggest problem with these loans at hand and in these documents has purged himself for people can prove his office is not where he claims it is. Further more this also means he has office´s located all over America .!
What a scam ! The average person without ever going to law school is not privy to the verbiage that the instrument in these documents actually is saying !
The other grave issue is that there were two choices when applying with ELT - 1% or 10% down on loan. So being this said it was not just 1% taken up front down but some people actually put 10%.
We were told by our rep that in the state of Washington alone there are $ 450,000,000 loans to be processed which far exceeds the amount in the Bank of China.
by rockfarmer March 23, 2008 12:00 AM

There´s an old saying in mathematics - You can lie with numbers but numbers not lie !
All you have to do to make people believe - is to make one of these deals close and all of sudden the mass become believers. We all wanted to believe it would happen but as the days turn into weeks which in turn, turn into months it is evident that the only outcome subjects thousands of people at risk of foreclosure in loosing they´re homes. Many people in this lending program (so called company) were in dire need of saving they´re homes from forclosure ! And this is the reason that our President of America came forward to help the people in hopes of stopping a economic collapse. Our stock market,our US currency etc it at risk and we have been counting on our President of America and this Baschmann Jr to help us ! We are hard, honest working American people who work on the average more days and longer hours than any country in the world. I know this to be fact for I have traveled abroad and know this to be fact ! The American dreams is being destroyed as time is running out. I am saddened for all whom are involved and I don´t blame them for they´re questions or anger - it is warranted !
by rockfarmer March 23, 2008 12:00 AM

Man! Give up already Doug! You are tiring. YAWWWWWWWWN.
by realestateguru March 23, 2008 12:00 AM

What is the worse thing that could happen? Ticor eventually unfreezes the accts and people get their money back and loans dont close. Or the opposite, loans close everyone is happy except for you because then others will be happy and not you because again, you are not in the system and either is the ex

by drama March 23, 2008

No moron, The worse that can happen is that this guy has possibly made off with all this money and no one gets any back. Or how about he files bankruptcy and no one gets their money back.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 23, 2008 12:00 AM

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by dead eye March 23, 2008 12:00 AM

I am pretty sure that realestateguru and drama are also related in some way, regardless of what they say. I wonder how they are connected to Robert Baschmann Jr. Also I am President of the Grapevine Gulag, you are exactly right and I dont know how hard that it is for some to understand this.
by nozzleman87 March 23, 2008 12:00 AM

I suspect that drama & guru are just some of those that have gotten caught up with Baschmann´s bullshit. You can´t fault them for wanting something like this to be "real", just come on man!! wake up and smell the coffee!!! You guys shoud be on the phone night and day getting your concerns answered by Baschmann - not venting your pipe dreams and anti-naysaying bullcrap on the grapevine?!

GET A CLUE!

and another month shall too pass......











by ocean tech March 23, 2008 12:00 AM

Hey everyone, I have been reading and waiting for a time to say anything because everyone keeps asking for facts,(most of the comments on here are just a bunch of slaps back and forth)so I waited until I had real evidence. I put my money in with a rep name Clayton. I can no longer get in touch with him. I gave him my check in November. I wrote it to Ticor. I went last week to Ticor with a copy of my note I was given by Clayton and a copy of my check and I had to bring in valid ID. They gave it back to me. I was glad getting my check back since I have been keeping up on this thread and got really nervous when people started talking about losing money. Here´s the thing, That day (Thursday) when I got home I had a message to call this gal back who was asking my for my insurance information contact info because they needed a binder for my refinance. I almost puked, because now I am out of the system and although I know we are all waiting to see if this is real or not, Why would they be getting all of that info if they were planning on just leaving with the money? In my experience getting binders is one of the last items prior to documents. Then My friend Mark who is still in called me and said he got the same call.So crap, I may have screwed up but If anyone´s loans close in the next weeks I am really wanting to know. I will be kicking myself but I could not afford to lose that money and I got freaked out on here. These are the only facts I can give you, but if anything else happens Please let us all know. I will also let everyone know when Mark´s closes. I really needed it to be true but I could not wait any longer hearing about how bad it is.
by Heather M March 23, 2008 12:00 AM

hmm, that last post sounds a little rehearsed. ´gal´?

7 days left...
by CBOofTN March 24, 2008 12:00 AM

yea all of the names of the people who are giving their "testimonials" on elt´s website are the same way; first name and last initial.
by nozzleman87 March 24, 2008 12:00 AM

by Ben2350 March 24, 2008 12:00 AM

Heather M
DO you have the mane and number of the person that called you regarding the insurance binder? If so, can you email it to me?
Bigben007@comcast.net

by Ben2350 March 24, 2008 12:00 AM

Jeez you are all cynics. I knew that I should have not come on here. People just get hammered on here. Sorry I said anything. Her name is Annette Melman or Melbag or Mel something. And if course I am not putting my last name or number. none of you have, and I see what happens. ANdrew said he gets called at all hours of the night. No thank you. Jerks.
by Heather M March 24, 2008 12:00 AM

Heather,

I´m afraid that Annette or whatever her name is, is the infamous A.M. that has been made reference to in past threads, that has interest in ELT succeeding. Bottom line, Bob keeps making money at everyone´s expense......
by ocean tech March 24, 2008 12:00 AM

Heather M.

What was the persons name that requested the information regarding your insurance information? Was the individual from a Title Co. if so, which one? If you could answer those questions that would be great.


by lg123 March 24, 2008 12:00 AM

Thank you Heather,

You answered my question
by lg123 March 24, 2008 12:00 AM

IG123

as above,
Annette Melbord or man or stein whatever. sorry but I do not know the spelling of her last name. She works for Empire. She said we were getting to the end finally. Like I said, I took my money out that day, so I asked her if I could still be in the system and bring my money into closing and she said unfortuantley no.
I will let you know if my friend Mark´s loan closes in the next 7. That would be GREAT! Then all of you can be shocked a little along with me. Im pissed I listened to any of this if that is the case. If not then Oh well.
by Heather M March 24, 2008 12:00 AM

Heather M

Can you email me Annette´s phone#?
Bigben007@comcast.net
Thanks

by Ben2350 March 24, 2008 12:00 AM

I´m sorry, Heather. I jumped to conlcusions. However, I do think you made the right decision by getting your money back.
by CBOofTN March 24, 2008 12:00 AM

annette@eltllc.com is the contact info. You cannot post numbers here. They Ban people when they do that. Sorry Ben. This is the Email I was given.
by Heather M March 24, 2008 12:00 AM

I got the same call. Maybe 7 days is not a far fetched idea. We´ll see. I gave my allstate info and I also called my mortgage company and they have already been called and sent payoff information. I will let you know, just as I said I would. Good LUCK! I am still crossing my fingers but this could be a good sign.
by realestateguru March 24, 2008 12:00 AM

1s time caller long time listener(reader). I did not get the call yet but my mortgage company got called for payoff. I am not holding my breath yet. I put my money in in sept. I agree guru it will be great but i am not countin my chickens yet.
by gregerson March 24, 2008 12:00 AM

Greg,
Just curious. Why have you held on to this loan for 6 or so months? If I were invested, I would have probably bailed out after a max of 2. What kept you in there?

by CBOofTN March 24, 2008 12:00 AM

Holy Christ are you guys still debating this fraud put out by a piece of crap? Man do I have some swamp land for somebody.
by JustplainMarvin March 24, 2008 12:00 AM

You know, I guess I was just hoping that it was real. I kept talking to different people in the company and they all told me to hang on. So I did. Plus, no one on the Anti company side has really said anything that holds any merit. We all know about the lawsuit, we all know he has a nephew that is against him, we all know the fbi may or may not be doing an investigation. Even if all of this is true, it doesnt mean this can´t work i guess. It could all be false claims. I am not saying anyone is lying it´s just No one has come forward claiming they have lost their money. Until someone actually puts their names up here and contact info when they are claiming to have all this info then why should I believe? It could be anyone typing this stuff. I thought I would take the chance. If it is real then BOO YA! Master chief! I think that I am one of the oldest in the system. Hopefully mine will close first. Who knows. That is all the info I have.
by gregerson March 24, 2008 12:00 AM

Gregerson

No one that is anti company has said anything with merit?? What thread have you been reading?? If anything there has been ABSOLUTELY NOTHING saying this product will work. Tell me one thing that has been said that leads you to believe your loan is going to fund?? As a lending professional of 15 years, I am telling you that this is a load of crap!! Get your moneyu back now before you lose it.

HeatherM. I am glad you got your money back. Even if you are being a cynical putz.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 24, 2008 12:00 AM

My idle interest in this has changed somewhat over the last month to the point that I now feel badly for those waiting to close.

I do wish you the best but you´ve got to look at this objectively if you´re going to come out of this whole. I won´t insult those waiting for closings with comparisons to the tooth fairy or Santa Claus as every adult realizes these are fantasies for children but this loan program does resemble a "Bigfoot" sort of loan. There are footprints here and there and maybe some grainy video but no one seems to have a live capture or a corpse. Lots of people believe fervently in Bigfoot. Some will even continue to believe once they´ve seen the shoes used to make some of the footprints. Others are confident the creature doesn´t exist.

Regardless, those waiting should really press the issue. How long, exactly, are you willing to wait? Many of the comments on this blog are completely ridiculous; friends of friends in the FBI providing "inside info", biggest class action in U.S. history, R.B. is saving the America from collapse, etc.

Count me among those who has a tiny voice that says that Bigfoot could, possibly, maybe be real. These "loans", however, simply don´t add up. If you´ve got something against losing your money needlessly or having it stolen from you then you should probably start doing something about it. There are carnival games that work the same emotions many of you are now experiencing. I fell for one when I was 17. It was for $40 and I was sick about it for a week. That was 1977 and it was a lot of money to me. I like to think I´ve since grown wise enough to see them coming.

Best of luck.

HorseCreeker.





by HorseCreeker March 24, 2008 12:00 AM

Wow, sure is a lot of posts regarding Empire Logging and Timber, not sure how long they have been soliciting loans? Well I was contacted promised 65 day closing and waited until I was told by Ticor in Wash. that some loans had funded and closed utilizing the 4% program offered. Only then did I feel comfortable to send in the 1%. I also referred many others
once I had sent in my money.
A fews days after I caught wind of the law suit and was told that everything had been put on hold. I had been questioning the fact about appropiate licensing requirements and was told it was handled not to worry...that they had ties with several governmental agencies and that they had been funding humanitarian projects for years and had ties with Fema...dont worry the lawsuit just hang in there. Well my loan should have closed and my present Mtg. company already started foreclosure proceedings and I have been stalling them thinking that I would be closing this week, looks like I will be one of the thousands who have lost their homes to foreclosure, I may have been able to have worked something out but I was promised that it would be closing and not to worry......I not only have a problem with Empire but Ticor lied and stated that loans had closed and everything was going well 2 days later a law suit was filed. Having Ticor as the Title Company used by ELT had given them some credibility because Ticor is very large and you would think that they would never align themselves with this type of program without doing there homework.

The minute I heard of the lawsuit I contacted Ticor and was told that they couldnt give me any info regarding my loan and I could only speak with the FBI Agent assigned to the case. This was no help and all I was told is that they are investegating the complaint and had no comment. The Rep says all is well and that all of the loans will be closing...My gut told me something wasnt quite right although my emotions and hope told me what did I have to lose. I did receive my 1% back so at least I didnt get my money taken , it will end up only being my home for beleiving what I was told and acted accordingly.

If this Robert, Bob whatever is behind this, taking advantage of people who are desperate trying to save their homes and promoted this program with full knowledge that it would never work and only line his pockets..Well in some Countries they cut off your hand for stealing what should we cut off of BOB???????????and anyone who conspired with him????????????
by justaloaner March 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Heather M and Realestateguru

Are they still using Ticor Title to close your loan?
If not then who?







by waitingtosee2 March 25, 2008 12:00 AM

WTS
I dont have a loan in the system anymore unfortuantley. I got my money back. I dont know who is closing them
by Heather M March 25, 2008 12:00 AM

UMMMM NO. Obviously Ticor has no relationship with them anymore. I have no info on where I am signing. SHould know soon. I may wait till it closes to let you all know. Look what happened last time. Everyone who just could not wait to prove it wrong, called Ticor and Harrassed them, eventually leading to the demise of the relationship. Good Luck everyone. So sorry Heather that you bailed. Bad timing.
by realestateguru March 25, 2008 12:00 AM

yeah, that´s right....it´s "everybody´s" fault that called Ticor and "questioned" them. That´s why the program is in distress. So Bob gets to call you all sometime here in the near future ( or his rep´s will ) and tell you that the program "won´t" work because of all the "attention" to this by inquiring minds.....does this sound about right?
by ocean tech March 25, 2008 12:00 AM

You are an idiot Ocean. Geez jealous much? Is must be lonely at the bottom.
by realestateguru March 25, 2008 12:00 AM

relitterguru,

you know not what you know not. Looks like a good "excuse" to me after Bob gets done with you all.....just one option.
by ocean tech March 25, 2008 12:00 AM

You are getting 1% fleeced from you guru and evyerone else should be jealous??? Go figure.....


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 25, 2008 12:00 AM

oh ok Clayton (ocean), or is it Jack?Dont you have some multi level marketing to get back to?
by drama March 25, 2008 12:00 AM

what is Ocean at the bottom of? That was a stupid statement that doesn´t even mean anything and comes from someone who has to resort to name calling. I think Ocean´s comment was right on target.

Heather, don´t second guess yourself. I´m glad you got your money back. Common sense screams to be careful when something like this comes along.


by CBOofTN March 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Actually I am ALL GOOD. It´s a very good week. LOL I am laughing at all of you.
by realestateguru March 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Why does that not suprise me? you are all Clayton´s croanies getting on here now. Go back to your work. "Remember if you tell one person and they go under you then they get one person and then they go under them....risidual income." LONG LIVE THE PYRAMID SCHEMES". Funny how the people in MLM are the people claiming SCAM!!!
by realestateguru March 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Hmmm still no proof that this program is a scam....
by jimbo_hansen March 25, 2008 12:00 AM

No proof that it is real either!
We have someone on here that claims he has been in the system for 6 months! Does it makes sense to continue to invest your money before it moves forward? No.
This program really needs to get its stuff in order before I can take it seriously. Anyone with any common sense would know that a real company of this magnitude would be able to provide details in the news, website, or some other media. Not by phone calls and a crappy website that an 8 year old could have made.
by CBOofTN March 25, 2008 12:00 AM

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by drama March 25, 2008 12:00 AM

CBO It may not make sense to you but it is my fricken business. Who do you think you are? Hiding behind a screen name and faulting people for making their own decisions.Last I checked this was a free country and I have made my decision. It is none of your business. The only reason I even came on here is because you were all asking OVER AND OVER AGAIN FOR FACTS. I just through mine out there when I finally had word. Now you are just ripping on it. Quit asking questions if you are not ready for answers. The truth is you can´t handle the truth and you want this to fail. When this goes you can kiss my anti multi level marketing butt.
by gregerson March 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Hmmm still no proof that this program is a scam....
by jimbo_hansen March 25, 2008

If you cannot see the proof in front of you that has been put on this thread you deserve to get hosed.

Gregerson
Just out of curiosity, what facts do you have???
by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 25, 2008 12:00 AM

can someone fix the way the thread is stretched out....i´m just sayin´....drama is a dumb ass!! let enough
his delusions....
by ocean tech March 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Oh great president of the gossip gulag with supreme wisdom, Please PLEASE enlighten me as to the proof already posted here for I have seen none. Repost the proof for all of us to see.I have seen no proof this program is a scam. I should be hosed? Are you a fireguy like Andrew or are there sexual connotations there? Just wondering. Idiots.
by jimbo_hansen March 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Robert Baschmann Jr. used the address of 10375 Abbott Hill Road for his business ELT. Is there any other place that he said he was doing business out of? The reason I ask is, I reckon it will be hard to close all the loans when he is no longer in possession of his tons of computers, files, copy machines, fax machines, etc. The phone and fax numbers that he has for his business (7169410309) have been cut off and no one can find him. All you people on here that call me and say you talk to him all the time, then proove it! If you know where he is and he has nothing to hide and he isnt scamming all these people then give us his up to date contact information. I just think that under all these circumstances and for many more reasons I wont discuss on here, he wont be closing any loans. I hope that all of you get your money back and for the people that may lose your homes because of him, I am sorry and I hope everything works out for the best.

Andrew Pullen
434-906-3455

Also I am not just an angry nephew. I have to personal vendetta against him and I am at no risk of losing my home or my money; I am just trying to help those who are.
by nozzleman87 March 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Jimbo,

You are truly an idiot. Dont post stupid crap about me. All I am doin is trying to help.
by nozzleman87 March 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Trying to help? By spreading rumors. Yeah, that helps. If you truly want to help and can, post the proof Andrew. If you won´t or cannot, please explain why. I´ve seen enough of personal opinions, speculation and gossip. Oh and I´m not the one posting my personal info on a public website, everyone knows only an idiot would do that.
by jimbo_hansen March 25, 2008 12:00 AM

They cannot show proof that it doesnt work because it has not run its course yet. LOL I am still laughing. You will all see.LOL
by drama March 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Andrew, dont you have a banjo to be playing? TWANG. Man Bob, you should have just bought him the new car. Him don wanna work no mo. Shucks.
by realestateguru March 25, 2008 12:00 AM

I spoke with an authorized rep there like I told you I would ACM. I gave them every benefit of the doubt to try and convince me that it was legit. Nothing would be done without the 1% fee. After I brought up my concerns he asked he how I found out about the lawsuit. He also told me there was no active investigation by the FBI which I told him was not true because I have a long time college buddy who works with the FBI that said the investigation is ongoing. After that he tried to get back to the benefits of the loan service without addressing my concerns. When I brought this back up needless to say that ended the conversation.

These people on here are not naysayers. They are fact finders who speak the truth. You are either work for them, smoke crack, or just that naive. I hope it is the first because NO ONE can be this naive. And don´t try to tell me you know things I don´t. I found out plenty of information about this process and what they want from you. There is nothing that you know that I don´t.

I also had my FBI contact do a little digging. Needlss to say certain person(s) tied to ELT have been "under scrutiny" for other instances that I cannot mention.

This is for everyone who wanted to know more about this company and how it operates. Good luck to you all and I hope those of you who have sent your 1% in get it back. I also hope those of you who were thinking about sending in 1% choose not to do so. But I cannot stop that.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 10, 2008


This is for your reading pleasure jimbo.

I am an independent party. I have not lost money to this scam nor would I direct a client to it. I gave these people the benefit of the doubt and did my own research. The more I dug the more i realized the truth. My mission is if people google and find this thread, I want them to see everything about ELT.

I have asked for proof from anyone that can give me anything. ALl the people keep coming back with is wait and see and if you want informatio have you cannot have it. Nice proof. I have been in the business for 5 years and own my company. Here is what proof is out there.

There is a lawsuit.
There is an active FBI investigation.
The website is juvenile.
There is no phone number or list of agents.
There is only an email address.
It has taken 6 months or longer and nothing has funded.
Thy ask for a 1% upfront fee. No other "lender" does.
The checks went from Ticor to the Bank of China account held by Robert Baschmann.

What more proof do you need?? You or all the other kool-aid drinking morons cannot offer 1 shred of proof. That is all I ever asked from the beginning and what do I get??

Nyah Nyah you can´t have it. This is a wonderful site to get information about the mortgage business andthis ocmpany and scam do not belong here. AS long as this post keeps going I will keep posting facts about this pile of horse shi*. So you, real estategoober, and drama queen keep posting. I will too.

BY the way, will you quit posting on here when loans do not fund or will you just disappear and slink away?? I really want the chance to say I told you so.

I hope everyone on here gets their 1% back while they can and not fall for this.




by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Yawn. Blaa Blaa Blaa. Read it all before. Back up each one of your points. Oh I am sure your "BUDDY" that works for the FBI would give pertanant information dealing with an ongoing investigation for the FBI. You make me laugh.LOL. He is not a bank you idiot. that´s why you don´t get it and you never will.

1.) Your an Idiot
2.)The sky is Blue
3.)The world is round
4.)You will never understand this.
5.) I laugh at you
by realestateguru March 25, 2008 12:00 AM

3,000,00 sperm and you swam the fastest.

Just so you know realestategoober, he did not give me information about the investigation. All he did was confirm it was active and also confirmed the same name as the agent in the previous threads. Public knowledge nitwit.

1) I have been called worse
2) you are right about the sky
3) You are right about the world
4) I do understand it. It is a scam
5) Laugh at me all you want, I am not the moron getting f*cked out of 1%, you are

I also know he is not a bank. I also know along with any other idiot that when you "lend" (and I use that term loosely) there are compliances and state and federal laws. Any moron should have researched this BEFORE starting this venture. If he is the capitalist and genius you all say he is he would have done that or hired someone to do it for him. Is that someone you want to give 1% too??

You cannot offer proof because there is NONE. So keep blabbing that same rhetoric and I will keep shootin down.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Stoopid stoopid shitheads, several of you. I just cant stand it.
by Jose Morales March 25, 2008 12:00 AM

No need for name calling you idiotguru.
There is an active FBI investigation. Call the number I had posted on here before, the agent to contact is Hillary Sallee 206-262-2434, or are you by chance to delirious and afraid to call. You keep saying there isn´t an active investigation, call and state the facts you are told by her on here. I have spoken to her.
I guess it´s because her and I are the bestest of friends that she tells me things she shouldn´t about the investigation. Whatever you dolt, the fact is there is an investigation.
Another fine point I would like to address is the fact that if you are indeed so close to closing on your loan, why is that you haven´t been notified of the attorney you are to send all your information to? Where the closing is to take place, date, time? Have you even been sent a Good Faith Estimate? Doubtful. This has hoax written all over it. Perhaps it´s a good thing that you are a real estate "guru" and not a mortgage broker, I couldn´t imagine the lines you would feed clients. I once dealt with a broker that kept telling me just one more week, just another day until I finally got tired of his games and fired his ass. There is no way a deal should take 6 months, 3 months is too long and if some of these loans were sent to Ticor before February such as the case with another person on here back in September they should have funded by January if this wasn´t a scam.
You are perhaps ignorant but I would guess you work for the company ELT. You know so much give us a contact #, they aren´t dealing with residential loans, so we can´t sign up so what damage can it do? The fact is you can´t supply any of that info because you yourself don´t know anything more than the rest of us.

by just_another_1 March 25, 2008 12:00 AM

LOL!!! OK!!!
by realestateguru March 25, 2008 12:00 AM

What proof do you want? Tell me what you want and if I think that it is reasonable I will post it. Jimbo, I am not spreading rumors and I am not an idiot for posting my personal information. I was trying to help people and I would not post something like I did without being man enough to leave people a way to contact me directly, Unlike most of you. realesateguru, it has nothing to do with him not buying me a vehicle, it is the point that he scammed me and he scammed my parents. If he will scam his family, he will scam others. That is my point and if you cant understand that then you mamn are the idiot, not I am President of the Grapevine Gulag. And what do you mean about a banjo? I do not have a buddy in the FBI, but if you do like others said and just call them, they will tell you exactly what I have. That I think is proof enough. Would you take a loan from someone knowing that they are under an FBI investigation for corrupt business and racketeering? Stop trying to delay the inevitable. None of these loans will fund and Robert Baschmann Jr. and everyone connected will be in jail.
by nozzleman87 March 25, 2008 12:00 AM

OK guru. You say your friend´s loan funded. When did that happen?? How long did it take for them to close the loan?? All legitimate questions.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 25, 2008 12:00 AM

LOLOLOLOLOL! You are funny. Ok.
by realestateguru March 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Here is the definition, Does not mean it is wrong or will be found wrong. Unfamiliar is the key word.

investigation n 1: an inquiry into unfamiliar or questionable activities;
Discuss.
by drama March 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Ok Pres. WHat is you rname? What is your number? What do you have to do with this? Where do you live?
All legimate questions.
by drama March 25, 2008 12:00 AM

just_another_1

Obviously you are not up on the latest information as you seem to think because Hillary Sallee 206-262-2434 is not in charge of this investigation.

So everyone think about that as you listen to the information from him.

I agree with Drama, Pres, what is your name? what is your number? I don,t know where you are getting your information but it is incorrect, try again.
by Tradewynde March 25, 2008 12:00 AM

once again tradewynde you are wrong. She is in charge of the investigation in Washington State and if you talk to her and live on the east coast, she will give you to a man who is in the buffalo office.
by nozzleman87 March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Tradewynde/drama/guru/conscious/all the same person

My personal information has nothing to do with ELT´s bullsh*t scam. I am trying to give you guys a chance at proving me wrong and none of you can.

As far as the information I have been given about ELT and the product, I got that from Ken, who works with ELT. That is where I came to the conclusion that this is a load of crap. Any program that asks for 1% upfront is a scam.

Why don´t you give out your phone numbers, names, and addresses?? Because you are either the same person, work for ELT, or both.

If what is posted here is so false, let Baschmann come and sue everybody for libel. I have absolutely nothing to hide.

Email me @ bmahoney3663@yahoo.com. Any of you willing to email me go right ahead. Will any of you (tradewynde, ACM, guru) willing to do that? I bet not.




by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

RUMORS!!! You all say that the nonbelievers are starting rumors! You believers are starting rumors, too! Rumors that there is actually a loan to be had!

Greg,
geez, you take things so personal. I wasn´t even insulting you. You invested your money before this thread started, so you didn´t really have any negative info to think about. I´m talking about the people that invested after they read all this info and still believe. You obviously don´t need the money you invested to keep living. I´m concerned about the people that do need that money and are at a chance of losing their homes.



by CBOofTN March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

EHHHHH!
by bruzr March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

CBOofTN,
Are you just assuming that these people are in getting themselves in trouble or do you have some verifiable facts that are leading you to be so anti-ELT? I have a friend that is going through their loan process, he is actually in the mortgage business himself, and so far no flags have been raised in his mind.
by bruzr March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

There is a lawsuit.
There is an active FBI investigation.
The website is juvenile.
There is no phone number or list of agents.
There is only an email address.
It has taken 6 months or longer and nothing has funded.
Thy ask for a 1% upfront fee. No other "lender" does.
The checks went from Ticor to the Bank of China account held by Robert Baschmann.


If this doesn´t raise a red flag with your "mortgage professional", then I would encourage you not to do business with him.

By the way, I think this is a BS post.



by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

looks like we have another new poster.
bruzr, I have just as many verifiable facts as the people
that believe this loan is the real deal. And just so we
all know, what is your interest in this company? Are you
wanting to get a loan, too?
by CBOofTN March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Greg and CBO,
While many of these posters are just on here to raise caine and defend the company itself, i was merely inquiring about what CBO´s side of the arguement was. Obviously Greg has some strong points and i´m assuming that CBO is going to use that as his/her arguement piece. But remember,

"While I might not agree with what you say, i defend to the death your right to say it."




by bruzr March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

so people have insurance binders ready to be issued and there is no "escrow" assigned to the closing? does this make sense? We´re getting closer to the end of the month, let´s see what happens......maybe another "problem" that will extend the date of estimated closing??? does that sound about right?
by ocean tech March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

I never said there was no escrow assigned.
by realestateguru March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

I can call and talk to my rep. Sometimes he answers the phone but if he doesn´t, He ALWAYS returns my phone call.
They do not need to put telephone numbers on the website because those of us with loans in waiting already have the phone numbers we need. If you do not have a loan and the process is on hold, they do not need to be bombarded wit unnecessary phone calls. Anyone with a loan had trouble reaching there rep?
by waitingtosee2 March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Nope my rep always answers. I have all the answers I need.
by realestateguru March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

I can always get a hold of mine. Good Point Waiting, Shoulda said that a while ago.
by drama March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Im out of the system now #$@&! But the rep who called me gave me her number and I can call anytime. I wont now but I could. Mark´s (new) rep is in constant contact. We´ll see. I am stilled so bummed I pulled out.
by Heather M March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

I agree with waiting. Why should they have their numbers? It´s a private lending company. They are not advertising and they are not offering this to the public/mortgagebrokers. They are working so hard getting this done they would not have time to answer all of theses negative questions. I know you want answers but you are not in the program. Why do you deserve answers? If you are in it then you have contact and you can have your questions answered. If not, why do you care now. We will all close and you can just sit in awe.
by gregerson March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

It sure is funny. All these people putting negative imput.
I can undertstand if some of these people got tired of
waiting. But there is still only 1 complaint against ELT
on the better business Bureau. Updated today. Everyone
has been able to get there money back. Checks to Ticor were automatically sent back to the borrower. I got mine
that way. Granted i am still waiting but I didn´t start my
loan until February 13 or so. Any way my 65 days are not
up yet. The FBI has to investigate. Just because there is
an investigation doesn´t make it real. It is actually reissuring that the FBI has not put out a warning to the public. A scam to continue this long is hardly a scam.

by waitingtosee2 March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

I agree with waiting. Why should they have their numbers? It´s a private lending company. They are not advertising and they are not offering this to the public/mortgagebrokers. They are working so hard getting this done they would not have time to answer all of theses negative questions. I know you want answers but you are not in the program. Why do you deserve answers? If you are in it then you have contact and you can have your questions answered. If not, why do you care now. We will all close and you can just sit in awe.
by gregerson March 26, 2008


The FBI has to investigate. Just because there is
an investigation doesn´t make it real. It is actually reissuring that the FBI has not put out a warning to the public. A scam to continue this long is hardly a scam.

by waitingtosee2 March 26, 2008

Just because the FBI investigates does not make it real.

HUH???

All I can say is WOW!!! Other words escape me at this point and time.


by proudpapaof2 March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

I agree with waiting. Why should they have their numbers? It´s a private lending company. They are not advertising and they are not offering this to the public/mortgagebrokers. They are working so hard getting this done they would not have time to answer all of theses negative questions. I know you want answers but you are not in the program. Why do you deserve answers? If you are in it then you have contact and you can have your questions answered. If not, why do you care now. We will all close and you can just sit in awe.
by gregerson March 26, 2008


Correction gregerson. They are not a private lender. They cannot be a lender until they meet state and federal regulations and acquire the appropriate state licenses. Why don´t you ask your rep that question. If they are licensed in the state to do business in.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

by waitingtosee2 March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

´I am signing before the end of the month...´-REGuru

5 more days!
have they set a closing day or time, yet?


by CBOofTN March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

All i am saying is that. If someone calls the FBI About
you. You will be investigated. They have to look into
the comlaints they receive.


by waitingtosee2 March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Here is the definition, Does not mean it is wrong or will be found wrong. Unfamiliar is the key word.

investigation n 1: an inquiry into unfamiliar or questionable activities;

I have a hard time believing that if all of us can get a hold of our reps and all of you posting names and address´ of the reps and Ken and Annette, that the FBI whoms names have also been put on here, would not have contacted them by now. Or all of us for that matter. They are the FBI, they have access to everything. Bob Baushamnn would have been LONG gone by now if this were a scam. And if he did take everyone´s money, why is he still around? He is not hiding. We (the people in the system) all know where he is. You are all just grasping at anything to discredit him. YOU GO BOB! We are behind you~ Now just close the loans faster so we can shut these people up!
by drama March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

yes.
by realestateguru March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Since we are all asking legitimate questions I have one for drama. What is your interest with ELT?? Are a loan officer?? Do you work for them??? What is it that you do??

I gave you an email address. I live in North Carolina. My name is Brendan Mahoney and I am a mortgage broker and own my own company.

So step up, nut up, or shut up.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Correction:
He is abiding by all the state and federal laws, but you would not know that because
1. It´s none of your business
2. You are not a part of this.
move on with your life.
by gregerson March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Just a client waiting for my loan to close. I´m from Washington. You are not even in a state where this was offered?LOLOLOLOL! OMG You must be kidding me. What is your number I will call you. OMG LOL. This whole time and you are....OMG you must be REALLY busy with Mortgage. LOL.I am peeing.
by drama March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

investigation n 1: an inquiry into unfamiliar or questionable activities;

You said it yourself. An inquiry into questionable activities. That should be the red flag right there. I have not gotten involved with this thread very much because it is pointless. I have my opinion on this whole thing but in this unusual case I do not need to give it. WOW just about covers it.



by proudpapaof2 March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Funny how when we come up with a very good answer to all the questions, that all the sudden those of us that are
borrowing some how are working for ELT.
Drama´s intrest. She is waiting for a loan.
Brenda What is your interest. Do you have a loan or do you
just like to stir up trouble.
We are waiting for loans to close and we keep contact with
our reps.
by waitingtosee2 March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

unfamiliar activities. Are you familiar with very many private lenders who want to help people.
WE ALL KNOW THAT THIS IS UNFAMILIAR.
by waitingtosee2 March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

I think you meant you are from Chicago. Which makes more sense why you are so angry about this. Be honest next time. LinkedIn. Beautiful search engine.
by drama March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Then Leave Proud Papa. You are tired.
by drama March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

You are a client and know what states this is offered in?? Guess what nimrod. NC is on the website. So either you know nothing or the person in charge of the website is incompetent. My guess it is both.

You have my email address drama. I am not stupid enough to give out my phone number to be harrassed by Bob´s cult following.

And since I own my business and have LO´s that work for me, I am making money whether I close my own deals or spend 24 hours a day on here. So I have plenty of time.

Now I am the 1 laughing.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Brendan your mailbox is full. Just FYI
by drama March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

unfamiliar activities. Are you familiar with very many private lenders who want to help people.
WE ALL KNOW THAT THIS IS UNFAMILIAR.
by waitingtosee2 March 26, 2008

I have been in the business for 36 years. I have originated laons, worked for lenders, worked for a bank, owned my own business, did commercial transactions, etc. So do not question what I know. I have also worked with a private lender for 7 years, so I do know the ins and outs. Anything else you want to know waiting??




by proudpapaof2 March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

uh huh. ok Brendan.
*** W Evergreen Ave
Chicago, IL 6**10-6494
I bleeped it out for you. no worries. I got this from a "buddy" of mine from the FBI.LOL

by drama March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

I am waiting to see this played out drama. I know what is going to happen. I will be back here April 1st when you have STILL NOT CLOSED. I want to hear what excuse there is then. I cannot believe that all of you are falling for this scam. Tell you what I will do though. Each of you send me a $1000 and I will get your deals funded for you. Send your emails to helpmebuyayacht@msn.com. I will give you wiring instructions to an account in the Cayman Islands. Allow 10-12 months for funding.




by proudpapaof2 March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

All I am saying is it fits the def. for investigation.
U have nothing to do with this so just stop. Putting us
down. Like I said WE ALL KNOW THIS IS UNFAMILIAR. No need to defend yourself. I´m not putting you or your knowledge of lending world down.

by waitingtosee2 March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

uh huh. ok Brendan.
*** W Evergreen Ave
Chicago, IL 6**10-6494
I bleeped it out for you. no worries. I got this from a "buddy" of mine from the FBI.LOL

by drama March 26, 2008

ROTFLMAO

Call me on that number that you got from your "buddy" at the FBI. You might be surprised.....LMAO
by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

In all seriousness waiting to see, I hope these loans close. I would rather have someone come back to say I told you so than to see someone in dire straits lose their hard earned money


by proudpapaof2 March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

So you own a mortgage company? Riiiiiiiiight. Im sure you do. let´s see what did you name it JP Morgan? Idiot. this is so easy. I will totally call you if you leave your number, I will explain everything I know. are you ready?
by drama March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Correction:
He is abiding by all the state and federal laws, but you would not know that because
1. It´s none of your business
2. You are not a part of this.
move on with your life.
by gregerson March 26, 2008

Let me guess. The rep told you they were compliant because you specifically asked that question right.





by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

So you own a mortgage company? Riiiiiiiiight. Im sure you do. let´s see what did you name it JP Morgan? Idiot. this is so easy. I will totally call you if you leave your number, I will explain everything I know. are you ready?
by drama March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Please do not send Proudpapa $1,000, it´s a rip off!

...I am only charging $750 and I close in 8 months if my
licensing goes through.

by CBOofTN March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

and yes. I have done my due diligence. I have checked with our state. They are just fine. Hence the no contact from the FBI.
by drama March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

REGuru

When is the last time u spoke with Rep?
by waitingtosee2 March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

About 10 times today. We are setting stuff up.
by realestateguru March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

I am not going to give out my phone number to the Bob cult drama. You have my email address. bmahoney3663@yahoo.com. Email me what you know. I am willing to bet that you cannot tell me anything more about the program and ELT than Ken has already told me over the phone but I am willing to listen. I am open minded.

By the way, I did want to name my company JP Morgan but lo and behold that name was already taken. Go figure. (That was sarcasm in case you did not catch that?


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

REGuru, you said that you have a closing time set. Do you mind sharing when that is?

by CBOofTN March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

My friend spoke with his rep 16 times today, setting stuff up.
by bruzr March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

That´s okay I know who you are. you certainly don´t own a mortgage company. However, you are a LO. It must be scary to you thinking that someone has come out with a loan that could put you out of business. I know your Market sucks where you are. Too bad for you, you don´t live in Washington, We are all doing just fine up here.
by drama March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

let´s see who talks to their rep the most today to "set things up".....this is too funny!!! Let your rep set things up.....end of the month is coming SOON!!!
by ocean tech March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

The only ones who have real information
are those of us who have talked to ELT.
The rest is regurgitated gossip.
There must be someting in the making today becuse there
is a lot of chatter going on. I´m excited so tell us REGuru. When is the date?
by waitingtosee2 March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

you will get called today, if you haven´t already. I will not let any of these freaks know my business. The minute one of them posts their numbers and names I will tell all.
by realestateguru March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

REGuru

Email me at mmauldin3@netzero.net
I want to ask you more qustions w/o
the feed back.
by waitingtosee2 March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Drake University. Jp Morgan.
by drama March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Does anyone know if Seahorse Resource Solutions are connected with Empire?
by ANOTHERUSERNAME March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

That´s okay I know who you are. you certainly don´t own a mortgage company. However, you are a LO. It must be scary to you thinking that someone has come out with a loan that could put you out of business. I know your Market sucks where you are. Too bad for you, you don´t live in Washington, We are all doing just fine up here.
by drama March 26, 2008

I really want to live in Seattle. I will take the sunny south any day of the week. But before you go off spouting about things you know nothing about let me straighten it out for you.

1. I am not worried about this loan program. It does not exist. Even if it did, it targets people close to foreclosure. I don´t do foreclosure bailouts. So no loss in business there. It also targets commercial properites as well. I have my own commercial lender I like right here in Charlotte. I have the big banks here.

2. Read the article before you speak about what you do not know. Charlotte is the ONLY major market where housing is growing. Sucks to be you and wrong huh sweetie.

http://charlotte.bizjournals.com/charlotte/stories/2007/05/07/daily19.html?jst=b_ln_hl

Anything else you got??


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

LMAO. Nope. Try again
by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

uh, you are wrong. LOL. Try Again.
by drama March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Did you just seriously send a link from May 2007? OMG LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. You are such an idiot. Everyone was doing well at that time.LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. You are going down in flames now. sad but true. I feel terrible for the people there.
by drama March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Did you just seriously send a link from May 2007? OMG LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. You are such an idiot. Everyone was doing well at that time.LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. You are going down in flames now. sad but true. I feel terrible for the people there.
by drama March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Why is everyone still fighting over this? If you´ve posted everything you know, good or bad, then why do you keep stirring everything up?
by ANOTHERUSERNAME March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

I can do this all day long drama....LMAO. This is too funny. You cannot by this kind of entertainment.




by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

You are the worst Mtg Broker ever if you think that May of 2007 anywhere in the US is remotley close to whats going on now. I bet you do have all day. Like I said...the worst Mtg Broker ever. You just lost all your credibility. Shut up now. you are an idiot.
by drama March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

http://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/stories/2008/03/24/daily14.html

Here is another one than for you moron.
by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Give up.
by drama March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

in JANUARY you Moron. Read it through
by drama March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Why give up?? That was from 3/25/2008. That is all you have for me is give up?? I was expecting a better reply than that sweetie. Then again I am not out 1%.

I have owned my shop for 12 years. I will be in business tomorrow while your loan is not closing. I will be in business next month when your loan is not closing. I will be in business next year and your loan will still not have closed.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Well when February and March reports come out I will share that with you as well.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Does it sound like to anybody else the drama and I am president of the grapevine went through a messy breakup or is it just me?
by ANOTHERUSERNAME March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

I have my money still and my loan is still closing. Heather you should call me. I got my money back from Ticor and I am still in the system. I´m bringing it to closing.
by drama March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

CBO,
Since you asked me, what is your interest in ELT?
by bruzr March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

What a soap opera this thread has become. GEEZ!!


by Jim Kinley March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Drama

Did ELT have you send another check?
Or did u fax them a copy of the Ticor Check.
by waitingtosee2 March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

You can thank Bob´s cult for that Jim


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

faxed copy
by drama March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

I did the same.
They do not have any of our money and they are still
processing the loan.

REGuru
I am waiting for the email.

by waitingtosee2 March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

No, I am too late. They are too far along in the process now for closing. they cannot put me back in is what they said.
by Heather M March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Bob´s cult.
You have no finacial interest in the loan
yet you still continue to post. If all the
naysayers would stay off. Then those of us looking for
answers, who are in the program can talk and get info.
You are the strange one. You have no personal interest but
day after day you come on to see what is happening
and to stir more trouble.
by waitingtosee2 March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

My interest is to make sure that when people google ELT and this thread comes up form this website, that people get all the factual information. Not some double secret agent program that can only be found out if you are worthy that has a juvenile website that can only be contacted by email.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Waiting, Just ignore him. He has nothing else to do. He´s got no mortgage business right now. Let´s just feel sorry for him.
by drama March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

You should sane your sympathy for where it really counts drama. People who are losing their money on this scam.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

see? he just does not get it.
by drama March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Has anyone lost money?
Just please answer with
"I did" and we can go from there.
by waitingtosee2 March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

ANYONE, HAS ANYONE LOST MONEY?
PLEASE OF YOUE LOST MONEY BRING
YOUR CARD TO THE TABLE.
by waitingtosee2 March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Explain to me what I do not get drama. Please enlighten me. I have asked for you cult followers for proof of this loan. No one could give me anything. I did my own research with the ops manager Ken from ELT. I did not like what he had to sell. Their is a lawsuit. There has been 1 closing in 7 months. People have been in the system for 6 months.

So enlighten me o wise one on what it is I am missing.

Notice I said "are" and not "have" waiting.

Besides, if you people want information, why troll here instead of going to the ELT official website. Better yet, start your own website. www.bascmannscult.com. You can give testimonials on there about how your rep told you it was going to be just a few more days for the third time.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

That wont happen. Not one person has lost their money
by drama March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

And how would you know?? You are just someone with a loan in process remember. Unless you work for them. Now I am beginning to see why you are so defensive.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

ANYONE! HAS ANYONE BORROWED MONEY SUCESSFULLY FROM THIS? IF ANYONE HAS, PLEASE COME FORWARD!!!
by bruzr March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

He is so sad. There there President. Do you need to borrow some money? I can help you, I´ll pay your power bill if that will help you. Keep on doing your "research" Who cares if there is a lawsuit. Doesn´t mean they are going to prevail. Man you are a sad case.
by drama March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

No one has come forward you idiot.
by drama March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

I am President,

I sure hope someone has put you up for hometown hero.
by ANOTHERUSERNAME March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

bruzr,
My interest in elt is stated in a previous post. You can find it if you want. What, again, is yours? I hope your ´friend´ closes on his ´loan´ soon!



by CBOofTN March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Money is no problem Sweetie.

But when your loan fails please email me and let me know. I promise not to say I told you so.

I will do you one even better.

Has anyone closed a loan besides the 1 we know about?? Anyone please come forward.


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

She cannot email you PRez. It would come from an elt address.


by proudpapaof2 March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Again with the question. OMG Seriously give up. ass.
by drama March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

3CPO,

Well since you can´t remember your arguement, i guess it wasn´t a very good one.
by bruzr March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

LOL Proud Papa. You must be a stay at home dad. your too stupid to actually hold a job.
by drama March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Now why is it waiting can ask for proof but I can´t?? This has been your defense for everything. His nephew post´s rumors that are not true. The lawsuit doesn´t mean anything. No proof of closings. Can I go on or do you give up?


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

again, waiting is in the system. SHe deserves to know. You don´t you are just a liar and a pot stirrer. You have no business knowing about something that you have not been invited to.
by drama March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

drama, waitingtosee

and anybody else who has money in this, i hope your loans close and everything works out. i am on the line trying to decide if i will send in my 1% with what i beleive is a company connected with these same people.
by ANOTHERUSERNAME March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Freakin TARDS. This has to be the biggest YANK ever posted. Nobody is as stupid as several of you seem to be.
by Jose Morales March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Oh Jose, they are stupid, believe me...they are stupid...

they´re all getting a little giddy thinkin´ their loan is going to close.....anytime now!
by ocean tech March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

OMG..........LOL. Not again. You were not invited so you do not need to know.

I may be a pot stirrer but not a liar. Name 1 thing in all the threads I have stated that it is not fact. You can´t dumbass.

SO now go back to Bob and explain this to him that

"There are people on the mortgage grapevine who are too smart to fall for our scam. It does not matter how many screen names I make up they are just not biting. Let´s give up and move on and try somewhere else."


by I am President of the Grapevine Gulag March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

That was what i thought to Jose. But the lawsuit actually exists. I have seen the information. This stuff just cannot be made up. Surely people would not fall for this.


by Jim Kinley March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

losers. Another? do not send your money in. they are no longer taking new people. (yet) you should hold off and wait till all of ours close to get involved. At that time I am sure that there will be more information available to others. WE ALL GOT OUR CHECKS BACK AND ARE TILL IN THE SYSTEM. No one is out money.
by drama March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

its not a settled lawsuit. Innocent until proven...which there is nothing to prove wrong. you´ll see
by drama March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

oh ocean ....I mean Clayton, you coward. you are one of the reasons this is so much turmoil. You are the liar and the cheat who temporarly f*&@$ this up for everyone. CLAYTON!
by drama March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

Not judging drama. I was just passing information to Jose to prove this thread was not a yank.

By the way, I would personally not do business with a company facing a lawsuit and give up a chunk of money. But that is just me and my own opinion.


by Jim Kinley March 26, 2008 12:00 AM

you dumb-arse´s that "got your checks back"; the only reason they´re telling you that you are "still in!" is so you can come out and be the "cheer-leader´s" for Bob, the almighty!!!......hahahahaLOLOLOL!!!!!

keep smokin´ the pipe - you stupid crackheads!!!!

as long as you´re "happy", Bob doesn´t have to worry about you, he only needs to worry about the ones that are still considering taking their "money" out of the mix......

dumbarse - all of you that keep ranting that you think you´re going to get something now for "nothing"....good one!!
by ocean tech March 26, 2008 12:00 AM